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#220 of 758 Re: BMW 2004 328 4DR Seden Maintainese Cost [windforceus] by roadburner

Dec 10, 2007 (10:24 am)

Replying to: windforceus (Dec 10, 2007 12:52 am)
I want to know BMW 2004 328 4DR Sedan, 60000 miles Maintainese Cost If i bring the car to BMW dealer or Private body shop.
 
First off, if you haven't purchased the car yet, I would strongly advise you to have it inspected by a qualified BMW tech. Not much goes wrong on the newer 3 Series, but you still want to buy a good one.
 
Now for your questions regarding costs. In most cases, the best way to keep maintenance costs reasonable is to find a GOOD independent BMW tech; you will save 25%-50% on service compared to the dealer. I also advise joining the BMW Car Club of America, since many independents and dealers offer 10%-20% discounts on parts and/or labor. All modern BMWs use a Service Interval Indicator to inform the driver when routine maintenance is required. On a 2004 325i an oil change will be called for at 15,000 mile intervals. A minor service(Inspection I) will come up at 30,000 miles and a major (Inspection II) service at 60,000 miles. I perform an "extra" oil change at 7,500 miles in my driveway. An oil change using synthetic oil will cost $60-$100, an Inspection I $150-$300, and an Inspection II $450-$800. Coolant must be changed every three years-using BMW Coolant ONLY, while the DOT4 brake fluid should get flushed every two years. I assume the car has an automatic? If so, in the newer cars I change the so-called "Lifetime" ATF fluid and final drive oil every 100,000 miles. Note that my mileage and cost numbers are approximate. For example, if you change the oil yourself using a BMW filter and Mobil 1 0W-40 or BMW 5W-30 synthetic the cost will be under $45. On the other hand, my local BMW dealer charges very reasonable rates for some of the services that I don't have the time and/or desire to perform. The dealer only charged me $110 to change the ATF AND the synthetic final drive oil on my wife's 5 Series, and they changed the coolant and the brake fluid on my 3er for just $143. Your car uses a more exotic ATF, so expect to pay $250-$450 more for the ATF service.
 
As for tires, you best bet is Tire Rack. I have their tires shipped to one of their recommended installers who charges $10 per tire to mount and balance.
 
I heard after 5 years, BMW used car starts having small problems specially the electronic systems which is true?
 
In my experience, the common problems for 3 Series cars of that vintage are not that numerous. The water pump and radiator can be expected to need replacement at 60K-100K intervals. The power window regulators can be failure prone, but replacement is fairly simple- a DIY if you have a few tools. Otherwise, the E46(1999-2005) 3 Series cars have proven to be very durable. So much for the internet myth of unreliable BMWs. I have a 1995 318ti with over 112,000 miles on it and the only electrical items I've replaced are a couple of tail light bulbs and a brake light switch.

#221 of 758 Thanks you , roadburner !! by windforceus

Dec 10, 2007 (11:12 am)

Replying to: roadburner (Dec 10, 2007 10:24 am)
Great Info ! I appreciate It!
 
Sorry for my questions. I am educating myself since i really plan to get a BMW later.
 
My Case:
My friend is selling his 2004 BMW 325 AT for 20K but i am thinking to just get a new basic 2007/2008 BMW 328 to avoid those maintainse cost. I dont mind the 12K difference and i know BMW has 4 year free maintainese plan which sounds good. I am just worried how much i should spend on repair and maintainese after 4 years. (I plan to keep the car for 8-9 years). My prediction is driving 12K-15K miles per year and i am not a speeding driver.
 
Question 1:
To make it simple, from my case, if i get a new 328, after 4 years, how much i should expect to maintain/repair the car if i joined the club? I know a IS 350 is about $500 per year for maintainese + repair after 4-5 years and Acura TL is about 400$ as well but i can't find accurate number for BMW 325/328. From what you mentioned above, i come out the number as $473 - $600 every year after 4 year usage and assume nothing breaks and just regular maintainese and replace tires and brake pads. Is that close to what you guys are paying right now?
 
Also, is 2007/2008 328 approved to be reliable yet? Is there any big recall going? I am going to be better off with 2005 325/330 model seems it has been tested by more users?
 
Thanks!!

#222 of 758 Re: Thanks you , roadburner !! [windforceus] by roadburner

Dec 10, 2007 (11:30 am)

Replying to: windforceus (Dec 10, 2007 11:12 am)
From what you mentioned above, i come out the number as $473 - $600 every year after 4 year usage and assume nothing breaks and just regular maintainese and replace tires and brake pads. Is that close to what you guys are paying right now?
 
Pretty close; some years will cost more than others, but it should average out.
 
Also, is 2007/2008 328 approved to be reliable yet? Is there any big recall going? I am going to be better off with 2005 325/330 model seems it has been tested by more users?
 
Well, it's still a bit early to determine the long-term reliability of the current 3 Series. I don't expect it to be horrible, but that's just a guess on my part.

#223 of 758 Advice on buying 2005 BMW 325i by starbuxx

Dec 16, 2007 (7:24 pm)

I'm in the market for a previously owned BMW. I like the 2005 325i and have found alot on Craigslist. The one I am interested in has 25,000 miles and has all the features and color that I want. The price is $20,500. The seller is an independent car dealer who gets his cars from BMW finance dept. He is going to fax me the carfax report and there will be one year left on the maintenance warranty. I would prefer to buy a CPO from a dealer but the prices I'm finding are over $25,000. Here are my questions:
 
1) Should I stay away from Craigslist and only deal with a BMW dealer?
2) If I go ahead with this, is there any reason why BMW wouldn't honor the maintenance warranty? (i.e., the car was not serviced by a BMW dealer)
3) Would you have the car inspected by a dealer even though there is a maintenance warranty?
4) If I call a local BMW dealer with the VIN number would they share the maintenance history?
 
My one friend feels that if the warranty is in place I don't need to have it inspected since everything would be covered.
 
Thanks for any feedback - it is greatly appreciated.

#224 of 758 Re: Advice on buying 2005 BMW 325i [starbuxx] by fedlawman

Dec 16, 2007 (8:54 pm)

Replying to: starbuxx (Dec 16, 2007 7:24 pm)
I would definitely have the car inspected - mostly to ensure it hasn't been involved in an accident.
 
It sounds like a nice car at a somewhat too good to be true price. If the car is sound, it's a heck of a deal, but the price is cause for some caution.
 
Good luck!

#225 of 758 Re: Advice on buying 2005 BMW 325i [starbuxx] by Mr_Shiftright HOST

Dec 17, 2007 (10:14 am)

Replying to: starbuxx (Dec 16, 2007 7:24 pm)
Definitely have it inspected like others have suggested here. CARFAX does NOT....repeat....does NOT....show all accidents, even major ones. This car could be fine, a great deal, or it could have been smacked up 5 times.
 
Other than prior collision damage, there's really not too much that could be wrong at this low mileage, but you should look for signs of abuse, including smoke-smell, undercarriage damage, manipulation of the VIN tags, or the use of mickey-mouse parts, such as cheap tires, cheap oil filters, etc.---always a bad sign on a BMW.

#226 of 758 Re: Advice on buying 2005 BMW 325i [Mr_Shiftright] by starbuxx

Dec 17, 2007 (3:04 pm)

Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 17, 2007 10:14 am)
I ran my own Carfax report at the suggestion of my insurance company and it does indicate on accident on January 2006 with moderate damage. It doesn't give specifics but does say it was front impact. Would you move on based on this or still have it inspected. My Honda was hit from behind two years ago and I have $5000 damage and it continues to run fine. There was no structural damage. I reported this to the police and reviewed my own carfax report and it doesn't even show up as being reported.

#227 of 758 Re: Advice on buying 2005 BMW 325i [starbuxx] by roadburner

Dec 17, 2007 (3:56 pm)

Replying to: starbuxx (Dec 17, 2007 3:04 pm)
Would you move on based on this or still have it inspected.
 
I'd move on; a hit reduces the value of the car by 10%-20%. Who knows if the repair work was performed to BMW standards? Why settle for a car that's been hit when you can probably find 30-50 other E46 3ers for sale within 100 miles of your home?

#228 of 758 Re: Advice on buying 2005 BMW 325i [starbuxx] by fedlawman

Dec 17, 2007 (4:56 pm)

Replying to: starbuxx (Dec 17, 2007 3:04 pm)
" ran my own Carfax report at the suggestion of my insurance company and it does indicate on accident on January 2006"
 
I suspected as much...
 
Move on.

#229 of 758 Re: Advice on buying 2005 BMW 325i [fedlawman] by starbuxx

Dec 17, 2007 (5:33 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Dec 17, 2007 4:56 pm)
Thanks everyone - I appreciate all the feedback and will move on.

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