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Re: A request [pf_flyer] by rorr
Aug 09, 2006 (8:11 am)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Aug 09, 2006 7:01 am)

"I know, clear as mud!"
 
Ummmm.....YES!
 
I took the comment regarding 'dirty' coal-powered plants completely different. I had the impression the post was referring to upgrading older 'dirtier' coal-plants to newer, cleaner standards; not necessarily a sweeping generalization that "coal=dirty=sux".
 
The problem (as I see it anyway) is that any general discussion of electric cars can either assume that EVs will ALWAYS be a tiny, dinky little niche market in which case increased electrical production simply isn't an issue....OR, that EVs will (eventually) be mainstream.
 
Assuming the second scenario, we MUST have some discussion regarding where the electricity will (eventually) come from. Discussing the power production IS automotively related because the NEED for the additional power is driven (for the purposes of this thread) by future EVs.
 
Believe me, I'm not TRYING to be a PITA; sometimes it just comes natural....
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Heh by pf_flyer HOST
Aug 09, 2006 (8:29 am)
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Some of these discussions simply have natural tendencies away from the automotive
 
I figure some early guidance, and a reminded that the topic title is Electric VEHICLES, shold help us not wander too far off.
 
A bit of drift and sidebars into related topics is natural and OK, as long as we don't go completely off the reservation.
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Re: Battery power [prm2000] by tpe
Aug 09, 2006 (8:34 am)
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Replying to: prm2000 (Aug 09, 2006 7:52 am)

I'm not sure why I didn't pick up on that but then again I just figured out what smileys were last week.
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Re: Heh [pf_flyer] by prm2000
Aug 09, 2006 (9:15 am)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Aug 09, 2006 8:29 am)

The earlier discussion on well-to-wheel efficiencies was based on studies relating directly to automobiles. Several of the studies were directly written or contributed to by automakers (Toyota, GM and Honda, as I recall). Nuclear vs coal (vs every other future fuel combo) is a major component of that discussion.
 
It is very possible that personal transportation will take its first fundamental shift in almost 100 years (away from oil). The viability and cleanliness of the electric grid is one of two issues that will make or break a wholesale switch to electric from ICE (batteries is the other). I would vote that discussion as applicable to an auto forum.
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Re: Heh [prm2000] by tpe
Aug 09, 2006 (9:50 am)
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Replying to: prm2000 (Aug 09, 2006 9:15 am)

You seem very knowledgeable when it comes to EVs so you are probably already familar with the website evworld.com
 
They've had two articles in recent weeks regarding Tesla, the inventor not the Roadster. One had to do with what they called his "Black Magic" Touring Sedan. The other his works in wireless energy transmission.
 
http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=article&storyid=1062
 
http://pesn.com/2006/08/03/9500295_wireless_transmission/
 
I can't help wonder if there is a relationship. If this "Black Magic" car actually existed was it being powered by energy being transmitted wirelessly? If something like this is possible then battery storage capacity becomes somewhat of a non-issue. It seems not completely outside the realm of possibility.
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Re: Heh [tpe] by prm2000
Aug 09, 2006 (2:09 pm)
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Replying to: tpe (Aug 09, 2006 9:50 am)

I look at evworld from time to time, but I had not seen those links.
 
Thanks
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Re: Heh [prm2000] by tpe
Aug 09, 2006 (3:04 pm)
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Replying to: prm2000 (Aug 09, 2006 2:09 pm)

Tesla was clearly a genius by anyone's definition. I find his work regarding wireless energy transmission to be particularly fascinating because of the implications. I've done some web searches trying to find out if any major studies have been done to definitively prove or disprove his claims. I can't seem to find anything.
 
http://www.teslatech.info/ttmagazine/v1n4/valone.htm
 
BTW, this really is relevant when it comes to the discussion of EVs, pros and cons, because the biggest con involves the limitations of the power supply for the electric motors.
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Re: Heh [tpe] by michael2003
Aug 10, 2006 (3:52 am)
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Replying to: tpe (Aug 09, 2006 9:50 am)

Thanks for the links. Very interesting, but I doubt that there is sufficient imagination/acceptance in the general population to embrace a technology that would make seemingly pollution free energy available for our transportation needs.
 
While reading the articles I kept feeling like there was a shoe hanging somewhere that was about to drop. I can understand not having faith in a technology if no-one can explain the downside (negative results). What I don't understand is why we haven't allowed any large scale testing that would sufficiently prove that the technology does or does not work. After all, the technology either does work or it doesn't. There shouldn't be so much controversy that people without any special interest would actively work against trying something new. It seems unconscionable that we must rely on other countries to lead the way when the US has the greater need and would reap the greatest benefits!
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Re: Heh [michael2003] by tpe
Aug 10, 2006 (4:12 am)
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Replying to: michael2003 (Aug 10, 2006 3:52 am)

I think you're right and I'm definitely not holding my breath waiting for this type of technology. I do however wish that more research would be done on the university level. I'm just extremely curious as to whether or not something like this is really technically feasible. One of the major drawbacks of solar energy is that its only available when the sun is shining. The sun is always shining on some part of the planet. A global electric grid with almost zero transmission loss does seem almost too good to be true.
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Re: Heh [tpe] by michael2003
Aug 10, 2006 (4:30 am)
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Replying to: tpe (Aug 10, 2006 4:12 am)

Maybe someone could get Mr. B. Gates to start up a new business whereby he would provide the power generation and sell us the antenna's, to supplement the power provided to our home. It would seem to be a more stable means of providing power than solar or wind and be just as pollution free. I would be willing to pay my utility bills in this manner in order to justify the purchase of an electric vehicle.

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