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| Isn't there any plan in place (or being proposed) that would require the replacement (or clean up) of the old "dirty" coal plants? It seems that both the reduction of the use of gas and emissions are critical and need to occur quickly! | |
Yes, this is a more general electric vehicle topic, but let's keep this autiomotive related and not go off into the various ways that electricity are generated and forget about the cars please.
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Replying to: prm2000 (Aug 08, 2006 7:00 pm) I'd say my biggest concern regarding the Tesla and all the other EVs is how these new Li-ion batteries will hold up. I know they've done extensive testing regarding safety and number of cycles but what about aging? My understanding is that Li-ion batteries lose storage capacity purely as a function of time, regardless of whether they are even being used. I'm not sure how well you can test this in the lab and I haven't read of any breakthroughs along these lines. If the Tesla, which is advertised at 250 miles per charge, can only get 150 miles per charge after 3 years I suspect there will be some unhappy owners. I hope this doesn't turn out to be the case but I think that only time will tell.
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Aug 09, 2006 3:27 am) If we can't talk about how the electricity is generated in an EV car discussion, where CAN we talk about it? Are you saying that one simply CAN'T talk about electrical production ANYWHERE ON EDMUNDS?
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Replying to: rorr (Aug 09, 2006 5:48 am) |
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Replying to: tpe (Aug 08, 2006 2:05 pm) Hmmm, well on the surface it certainly sounds like a reasonable plan. I'm not quite sold on PAYING for the plan through utility surcharges (in other words, millions of people who aren't seeing the benefit are subsidizing it for the other million homes who do). But, I suppose that's the nature of virtually ANY gov subsidy. I like having the PV system tied into the grid. I'm glad there's a term limit on the plan. After all the hoopla I've heard/read lately considering how PVs are supposed to get more and more cost effective, this is a good way for the industry to either put up or shut up. Another benefit of this plan is that should/when an EV industry starts going more mainstream, the additional power generation doesn't HAVE to be either new power plants or PV systems at the same residence as the EV.
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Replying to: rorr (Aug 09, 2006 5:48 am) I know it's a very wide, very fuzzy line, but we have to keep it automotive related. The post that prompted my reminder with the question of cleaning up "dirty" coal powered plants is an example. While it's tangentially related to electric vehicles, there's not a lot in that question that has anything to do with the cars. All I'm saying is that we have to keep it centered on the automotive. This is not the place to go off into coal vs nuclear. Those discussion on oil dependence have the same kind of problem when they swing off into side issues that aren't in our baliwick either.  I know, clear as mud!
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Replying to: rorr (Aug 09, 2006 6:21 am) If this program is successful I think everyone will derive some benefit. New powerplant construction probably would have resulted in new charges. If these million PV homes generating electricity for the grid can delay this then it might be somewhat of a wash for those not taking advantage of the program. Plus it accomplishes the same load leveling that charging EVs at night would. Only it does so by adding capacity during peak usage rather than adding load during off peak. The beauty of it is that the highest peaks tend to occur on the hottest, sunniest days when these homes will generate the most electricity. |
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Replying to: tpe (Aug 09, 2006 4:03 am) I know. That was supposed to be a joke, since they kicked us off the Tesla thread. That is what the icon with the blinky headlight was supposed to convey!
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Aug 09, 2006 7:01 am) Ummmm.....YES! I took the comment regarding 'dirty' coal-powered plants completely different. I had the impression the post was referring to upgrading older 'dirtier' coal-plants to newer, cleaner standards; not necessarily a sweeping generalization that "coal=dirty=sux". The problem (as I see it anyway) is that any general discussion of electric cars can either assume that EVs will ALWAYS be a tiny, dinky little niche market in which case increased electrical production simply isn't an issue....OR, that EVs will (eventually) be mainstream. Assuming the second scenario, we MUST have some discussion regarding where the electricity will (eventually) come from. Discussing the power production IS automotively related because the NEED for the additional power is driven (for the purposes of this thread) by future EVs. Believe me, I'm not TRYING to be a PITA; sometimes it just comes natural.... 
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