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Re: Does the arguement change? [gagrice] by snakeweasel
Nov 13, 2008 (6:33 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 13, 2008 4:52 pm)

Wind is ok, just not in my back yard.
 
We have wind farms going up all over Northern IL.
 
Solar not much good for charging vehicles overnight.
 
I would think that it would be a great ideal to have some sort of solar system that would charge some sort of battery or capacitor system that you plug your EV into at night that will power up your car at night.
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Re: Does the arguement change? [snakeweasel] by michael2003
Nov 18, 2008 (5:10 am)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Nov 13, 2008 6:33 pm)

Solar not much good for charging vehicles overnight.
 
Excess solar captured during the day could be sold to the utilities to reduce daytime peak need and then purchased back when needed at night to charge up our EV's. I would think that this would greatly help in reducing our need for further central generation capacity.
 
The only time that local power storage would be needed would be as a back up in case of a utility outage.
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Re: Does the arguement change? [gagrice] by gypsy_tech
Nov 24, 2008 (12:18 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 13, 2008 4:52 pm)

The only thing wrong with Nuclear is the cost. It's cheaper to use Coal and the current solar technology for a power plant is more like a furnace where the solar radiation is used to heat a massive boiler where the heat is used to generate electricity. That would keep creating electricity until it cooled down, long after dark and much cheaper per MW than PV panels.
 
PS Collectively the population is finally starting to wise up considering the last election.
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Re: Does the arguement change? [gypsy_tech] by gagrice
Nov 24, 2008 (5:04 pm)
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Replying to: gypsy_tech (Nov 24, 2008 12:18 pm)

current solar technology for a power plant is more like a furnace where the solar radiation is used to heat a massive boiler where the heat is used to generate electricity.
 
The only thing I can find on that technology is the Curnutt Solar Furnace. I do not see any practical application of that 30+ year old technology. It was given lots of press in 1978 and nothing came of it. I am sure if it was practical someone like SDG&E would be on it. The electric companies are mandated to have a certain percentage of alternative energy by 2012. They run into environmental roadblocks with everything they do. The only viable alternative currently working is wind generation provided by one of the Indian tribes. They are not bogged down with state and Federal regulations. SDG&E signed an agreement for a solar generator in 2005. To be completed in 2008. It is still being held up by environmentalist. Not the current Republican administration. I think we voted ourselves into a deeper bog of environmental regulations. No two green weanies agree on anything. Here is just one of many eco roadblocks to alternative energy.
 
Many environmentalists who oppose Sunrise are also sharply critical of Stirling's solar energy project. They argue that Stirling's technology is commercially unproven and say the project will take years longer to build and cost four or five times more than Stirling has estimated.
 
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20080701-9999-1b1solar.html
 
I would say collectively the population has their head where the sun don't shine.
So much for solar energy.
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Amazing by pf_flyer HOST
Nov 24, 2008 (5:24 pm)
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We demand "clean" energy and then throw up "environmental" road block after road block. Can't have wind farms... some bird might get killed.
 
At some point perhaps humans get back to the list top of species we need to ensure the survival of.
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Re: Amazing [pf_flyer] by gagrice
Nov 24, 2008 (6:20 pm)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Nov 24, 2008 5:24 pm)

The latest on the solar project is a 2 year environmental impact study for the BLM. That does let the contractor off the hook on the 2010 date of completion. Mean time the clock is ticking on the CA mandate for renewable energy.
 
My favorite is in Hawaii where they have blocked further geo-thermal because it is an affront to Pele.
 
Pele is a living deity fundamental to Hawaiian spiritual belief. She is the eruption, with its heat, lava and steam. Her family takes the form of forest plants, animals and other natural forces. But geothermal development interests see Pele as simply a source of electricity.
 
http://www.namaka.com/catalog/spirit/pele.html
 
So if it ain't Ted Kennedy keeping the Wind farms from blocking his view it is some other group wanting to stop US from drilling for oil. I do not think there is any form of alternative energy that is universally acceptable.
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Kurrent/Elettrica Made in Italy by toshiohilo
Dec 01, 2008 (7:36 pm)
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I recently purchased a plug-in 2007 Kurrent. I realize the American Electric Vehicle Co is out of business, but I am in desperate need of a key blank (or two). Can someone tell me how I can get the key blanks? My locksmith can't find it. Thanks.
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Ford by pf_flyer HOST
Dec 03, 2008 (10:10 am)
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Ford Motor made electric vehicles a centerpiece of a turnaround plan presented to Congress on Tuesday, saying that it will introduce an all-electric van for fleet use in 2010 and a sedan in 2011.
 
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10111091-54.html
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EV charging station with credit card slot by larsb
May 15, 2009 (6:55 am)
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I saw this coming a few years ago. Here it is now.
 
EV charging posts with billing capability - charge up and get charged...
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Re: EV charging station with credit card slot [larsb] by gagrice
May 16, 2009 (4:21 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (May 15, 2009 6:55 am)

What is more interesting to me is the Smart ED (EV) being charged. Why don't we have those in the USA? We did not get the Smart diesel capable of 70+ MPG. Now other countries have the Smart electric powered by sodium-nickel chloride Zebra batteries. I don't think the US or state governments want what they say they want. Less use of fossil fuel. I don't like the meter idea either. I would not be taking off cross country in a vehicle with a 62 mile range. Drive for an hour charge for 8 hours.
 
No thanks, I will charge my EV overnight in my driveway. Don't hold your breath on seeing any for a good long while. The EPA and CARB and the Tax collectors will all have a say on when they are sold in the USA.
 
There are at least 10 EVs built world wide capable of highway speeds. NONE are allowed in the USA, except the $100k Tesla. Political talk is cheap. Politicians are not cheap.

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