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Re: Zap Zapped [thaddock] by tpe
Apr 28, 2008 (10:55 am)
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Replying to: thaddock (Apr 25, 2008 5:38 pm)

Actually CA's mandate is to not purchase electricity from a source that generates more than 800 lbs of carbon dioxide per million BTUs. A coal fired power plant typically emits twice that much. If Wyoming's new coal power plants have been cleaned up enough to meet this standard then they are comparable to a natural gas fired plant.
 
The coal industry is obviously opposed to CA's mandate and has even questioned the legality of it. Saying that it might be a violation of interstate commerce laws.
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Does the arguement change? by pf_flyer HOST
Nov 12, 2008 (5:51 pm)
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Now that we've gone up to $4 gas and back down towards $2, how does the arguement for/against electric vehicles change, if at all?
 
(Besides, we've been focused on non-automotive stuff for far too long and we need to get back to talking about the automotive future! )
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Re: Does the arguement change? [pf_flyer] by snakeweasel
Nov 12, 2008 (7:51 pm)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Nov 12, 2008 5:51 pm)

I don't think that it will appear as important right now.
 
If we are smart we will continue pushing for them because gas will go up again. Better to get a head start on the solution than to be caught with our pants down.
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Nov 13, 2008 (3:13 am)
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Re: Does the arguement change? [snakeweasel] by pf_flyer HOST
Nov 13, 2008 (4:31 am)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Nov 12, 2008 7:51 pm)

If we're counting on us being collectively smart, I'm not sure if I'm worried or not
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Re: Does the arguement change? [pf_flyer] by snakeweasel
Nov 13, 2008 (5:02 am)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Nov 13, 2008 4:31 am)

Collectively we are neither smart nor stupid as either side cancels out the other. EV development will continue as there will be people who are worried that $4 gas will be back and to stay in the not to distant future. But it won't be developed as fast if gas stays under $3.
 
My bigger concern is if the current political structure is going to make it far more difficult to generate the electricity in a cost efficient manner to power a large fleet of EV's. The incoming administration has made some comments that would make it nearly impossible to create more electric power plants.
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Re: Does the arguement change? [snakeweasel] by gagrice
Nov 13, 2008 (4:52 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Nov 13, 2008 5:02 am)

No new Coal, No Nuclear. Wind is ok, just not in my back yard. Solar not much good for charging vehicles overnight. I think we will have to wait for a little less restrictive government for the EVs to take hold. I do think the $7500 tax credit tossed into the bailout bill will encourage some foreign companies to try and sell what they have to US.
 
PS
Collectively I would say we are dumber than a box of rocks, given the results of the last election.
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Re: Does the arguement change? [gagrice] by snakeweasel
Nov 13, 2008 (6:33 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 13, 2008 4:52 pm)

Wind is ok, just not in my back yard.
 
We have wind farms going up all over Northern IL.
 
Solar not much good for charging vehicles overnight.
 
I would think that it would be a great ideal to have some sort of solar system that would charge some sort of battery or capacitor system that you plug your EV into at night that will power up your car at night.
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Re: Does the arguement change? [snakeweasel] by michael2003
Nov 18, 2008 (5:10 am)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Nov 13, 2008 6:33 pm)

Solar not much good for charging vehicles overnight.
 
Excess solar captured during the day could be sold to the utilities to reduce daytime peak need and then purchased back when needed at night to charge up our EV's. I would think that this would greatly help in reducing our need for further central generation capacity.
 
The only time that local power storage would be needed would be as a back up in case of a utility outage.
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Re: Does the arguement change? [gagrice] by gypsy_tech
Nov 24, 2008 (12:18 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 13, 2008 4:52 pm)

The only thing wrong with Nuclear is the cost. It's cheaper to use Coal and the current solar technology for a power plant is more like a furnace where the solar radiation is used to heat a massive boiler where the heat is used to generate electricity. That would keep creating electricity until it cooled down, long after dark and much cheaper per MW than PV panels.
 
PS Collectively the population is finally starting to wise up considering the last election.

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