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Re: Zap Zapped [plekto] by reddroverr
Apr 16, 2008 (7:59 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Apr 14, 2008 1:42 pm)

Hope it pans out. what we've seen with Zap and others is long on hype and short on...anything else.
 
Pop Mech sums it up..."We'll believe it when we drive it"
 
Zero Pollution Motors (ZPM) confirmed to PopularMechanics.com on Thursday that it expects to produce the world’s first air-powered car for the United States by late 2009 or early 2010. As the U.S. licensee for Luxembourg-based MDI, which developed the Air Car as a compression-based alternative to the internal combustion engine, ZPM has attained rights to build the first of several modular plants, which are likely to begin manufacturing in the Northeast and grow for regional production around the country, at a clip of up to 10,000 Air Cars per year.
 
And while ZPM is also licensed to build MDI’s two-seater OneCAT economy model (the one headed for India) and three-seat MiniCAT (like a SmartForTwo without the gas), the New Paltz, N.Y., startup is aiming bigger: Company officials want to make the first air-powered car to hit U.S. roads a $17,800, 75-hp equivalent, six-seat modified version of MDI’s CityCAT (pictured above) that, thanks to an even more radical engine, is said to travel as far as 1000 miles at up to 96 mph with each tiny fill-up.

 
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4251491.html?series=19
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Re: Zap Zapped [plekto] by tpe
Apr 17, 2008 (4:35 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Apr 14, 2008 1:42 pm)

Much easier than silly fuel cell or battery swapping proposals.
 
I agree that this battery swapping idea doesn't make much sense. However there are batteries being developed that will allow an 85% charge in under 10 minutes with a special charging station. Given the early reviews on Honda's FCX Clarity I do believe that fuel cell vehicles have some potential, albeit in the distant future.
 
It would be interesting to see them crash test one of these compressed air vehicles and see what happens should a full tank rupture. Obviously it wouldn't catch on fire but that doesn't mean there wouldn't be an explosion.
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Re: Zap Zapped [tpe] by plekto
Apr 17, 2008 (3:27 pm)
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Replying to: tpe (Apr 17, 2008 4:35 am)

The air would naturally vent out of the crack, much like a propane tank does.(tank stays intact once the initial hole happens), The underside of the car usually would have some sort of kevlar or similar reinforcement to direct the air away from the passenger area. It's actually very safe and a technology that they have more than adequately researched when they made hydrogen powered vehicles a while back.
 
But MDI really is trying to make this work. They already sell the vehicles in France. They actually have the cars on the road, unlike Zap and the rest. The technology is simple, straightforward, and 100% off the shelf/ready to go.
 
I'd consider them to be more akin to Tesla Motors. Small, but a real company. Of course, their design is far from optimal. That goes to the rotary air engine that guy in Australia made. Why he can't put that in a car I just don't know.
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Re: Zap Zapped [tpe] by thaddock
Apr 25, 2008 (5:38 pm)
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Replying to: tpe (Apr 07, 2008 10:43 am)

I have to respond to the comment on CA getting away from coal. California's newest coal plant is being built in Wyoming with the electricity transmitted back to CA. It allows CA to say they are not building new coal plants in state. When the radical greenies prevent green alternatives and force CA to stay on coal, that is just plain stupid. Also, US automobiles represent approximately 18% of the carbon emissions. Why do we not work on the larger portion of the emission problem, the 82 % that we could easily convert to a greener solution. Put all this in the context of China who is building and putting into production a new coal fired electrical plant each month for the foreseeable future. Still want to sign the Kyoto Treaty? When China can see the sun on a clear day, then we will have made progress.
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Re: Zap Zapped [thaddock] by gagrice
Apr 25, 2008 (9:11 pm)
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Replying to: thaddock (Apr 25, 2008 5:38 pm)

California's newest coal plant is being built in Wyoming with the electricity transmitted back to CA.
 
Good point. That is just about the epitome of hypocrisy. Don't build that coal fired plant in my back yard. But if you build one we will buy the electricity. We are governed by possibly the worst legislature and governor the USA has ever witnessed. What can we expect when our attorney general is named Moonbeam?
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Re: Zap Zapped [thaddock] by tpe
Apr 28, 2008 (10:55 am)
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Replying to: thaddock (Apr 25, 2008 5:38 pm)

Actually CA's mandate is to not purchase electricity from a source that generates more than 800 lbs of carbon dioxide per million BTUs. A coal fired power plant typically emits twice that much. If Wyoming's new coal power plants have been cleaned up enough to meet this standard then they are comparable to a natural gas fired plant.
 
The coal industry is obviously opposed to CA's mandate and has even questioned the legality of it. Saying that it might be a violation of interstate commerce laws.
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Does the arguement change? by pf_flyer HOST
Nov 12, 2008 (5:51 pm)
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Now that we've gone up to $4 gas and back down towards $2, how does the arguement for/against electric vehicles change, if at all?
 
(Besides, we've been focused on non-automotive stuff for far too long and we need to get back to talking about the automotive future! )
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Re: Does the arguement change? [pf_flyer] by snakeweasel
Nov 12, 2008 (7:51 pm)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Nov 12, 2008 5:51 pm)

I don't think that it will appear as important right now.
 
If we are smart we will continue pushing for them because gas will go up again. Better to get a head start on the solution than to be caught with our pants down.
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press request by kirstie_h HOST
Nov 13, 2008 (3:13 am)
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A reporter would like to speak with consumers who are considering BMW’s electric Mini Cooper lease. If you are interested in this vehicle or currently drive an electric car, please respond to jwahledmunds.com with your daytime contact information no later than Monday, November 17th.
  
 
Thanks,
Jonathan Wahl
Corporate Communications
Edmunds Inc.
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Re: Does the arguement change? [snakeweasel] by pf_flyer HOST
Nov 13, 2008 (4:31 am)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Nov 12, 2008 7:51 pm)

If we're counting on us being collectively smart, I'm not sure if I'm worried or not

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