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Re: Zap Zapped [gagrice] by larsb
Apr 02, 2008 (5:21 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 01, 2008 6:52 pm)

It's different because AlGore and GW are not PERSONALLY POCKETING any of that money, that's how it's different.
 
And it's not a crime to want electric cars to come to market and be viable. It SHOULD be a crime to do what these guys have done to some of those ZAP dealers who paid them +$100K.
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Re: Zap Zapped [gagrice] by tpe
Apr 02, 2008 (9:55 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 01, 2008 6:52 pm)

You gotta feel for the ones that have gotten suckered into the "Green movement"

 
Con artists typically exploit a worthwhile cause. I'm sure a lot of people donated to Hurricane Katrina funds that weren't legit. That doesn't negate the cause.
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Re: Zap Zapped [larsb] by gagrice
Apr 02, 2008 (5:59 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Apr 02, 2008 5:21 am)

It's different because AlGore and GW are not PERSONALLY POCKETING any of that money,
 
So A. Gore went from a net worth under a million to $100 million selling books on the GW Hysteria. I would say that is more than pocket change.
 
I think the ZAP got zapped by the EPA and CARB. they were blocked every move they made. Just as all the EV companies will get shoved under. EPA and CARB feed off of big business bribes. Big business does not want us to be free from oil.
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Once Again, the UK beats us by larsb
Apr 03, 2008 (7:42 am)
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Looks like the UK is going to get a usable electric car on the road before the USA.
 
Think Electric
 
The compact battery-powered run-about, which goes on sale in the UK at the end of the year, has a range of more than 100 miles, and a top speed of 60mph. Better still, it’s constructed to proper crash test standards and doesn’t look too bad, either!
 
But the key question is, how does the electric TH!NK perform on the road? From behind the wheel of the Norwegian-built 2+2, everything looks refreshingly normal. There’s a proper dash, familiar dials, automatic gearshifter, regular key – all made to a high standard. Only a charge gauge and prominent button marked ASSIST give away the fact that the car is powered by an electric motor.
 
And although the design is not as cool as that offered by the likes of the Smart ForTwo, room up front is on a par, plus buyers are given the option of cramming two children in the back seats, too. It all looks familiar, partly because of the plundered Ford parts. The TH!NK project was the blue oval’s baby until it bailed out in 2002, leaving the Norwegians scrabbling to fund the launch. Six years on, the car is back, with one big difference: the battery is lithium-ion – the latest, most powerful available.
 
Turn the Ford key and a hum alerts you that the 40bhp electric motor is ready to go. Shift into Drive, press the accelerator and it doesn’t have as much instant acceleration as some electric cars, but instead the silent shove builds and builds. It feels as quick as a supermini, confirmed by the quoted 6.5-second 0-30mph time – not bad as it weighs a hefty 1,400kg.
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Re: Once Again, the UK beats us [larsb] by jeffyscott
Apr 03, 2008 (7:48 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Apr 03, 2008 7:42 am)

I have never understood why Europe is not way ahead on electric vehicles (or are they?). They have had much more expensive gas for a long time and I would assume there are more people for whom the short range is not a significant problem.
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Re: Zap Zapped [gagrice] by tpe
Apr 03, 2008 (5:46 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 02, 2008 5:59 pm)

How much money have people made preaching a carbon based economy? They use fear as a tactic also, telling you that our standard of living is directly linked to our use of carbon based energy. Then you have the millions of people, like ourselves, that have positions/opinions that aren't based on any personal expertise in the field. We read the conflicting data from the established experts. We then choose to subscribe to the expert opinions that will have the least negative impact on our life's.
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Re: Zap Zapped [tpe] by snakeweasel
Apr 03, 2008 (5:59 pm)
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Replying to: tpe (Apr 03, 2008 5:46 pm)

How much money have people made preaching a carbon based economy?
 
Seeing that carbon is the basic building block of all live on this planet I would say tons. Thats just the opinion of one carbon based life form.
 
Ducking and running
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Re: Zap Zapped [snakeweasel] by tpe
Apr 03, 2008 (6:17 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Apr 03, 2008 5:59 pm)

We're talking about energy not life. Energy can be produced without the benefit of carbon molecules. Your comment tells me that you're on the side that subscribes to the notion that the standard of living cannot be improved without producing more CO2. While I disagree your POV definitely puts you in the majority.
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Re: Zap Zapped [tpe] by snakeweasel
Apr 03, 2008 (6:47 pm)
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Replying to: tpe (Apr 03, 2008 6:17 pm)

Your comment tells me that you're on the side that subscribes to the notion that the standard of living cannot be improved without producing more CO2.
 
Really? How so? My comment would tell most people that I am a wise a**.
 
A sense of humor is a wonderful thing, try one sometime.
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Re: Zap Zapped [tpe] by jeffyscott
Apr 04, 2008 (5:48 am)
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Replying to: tpe (Apr 03, 2008 6:17 pm)

Energy can be produced without the benefit of carbon molecules.
 
Okay, so why don't you give up the preaching and get about the hard work of producing that energy and figuring out a way to sell it at a profit?

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