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Re: Will new lead acid batteries surpass Li-Ion?? [gagrice] by tpe
Nov 20, 2007 (5:29 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 12, 2007 6:25 pm)

Enerdel should be mass producing Li-ion batteries for EVs, PHEVs, and HEVs within the next year. Their headquarters is in Fort Lauderdale and their manufacturing plant will be in Indianapolis. They have already signed a contract with Think Nordic to provide batteries for their EVs to be produced starting in 2009. This contract is estimated to be worth anywhere from 70 million to 200 million dollars. Think Nordic was originally going to get their battery packs from Tesla Motors but has apparently reconsidered.
 
Enerdel's battery technology is similar to Altairnano's, no Cobalt or risk of thermal runaway. They also claim that the price of these battery packs will be low enough to allow for drivers to recoup the initial price premium of an EV within 2 years. We'll see but it sounds pretty good.
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Re: Will new lead acid batteries surpass Li-Ion?? [tpe] by reddroverr
Nov 25, 2007 (2:37 pm)
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Replying to: tpe (Nov 20, 2007 5:29 am)

They also claim that the price of these battery packs will be low enough to allow for drivers to recoup the initial price premium of an EV within 2 years. We'll see but it sounds pretty good.
 
Let's hope so, but that statement in itself is pretty vague. Do they give what they based that statement on? I looked at the company. Tiny little thing...perhaps..perhaps.
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Re: Will new lead acid batteries surpass Li-Ion?? [reddroverr] by reddroverr
Dec 12, 2007 (1:07 pm)
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Replying to: reddroverr (Nov 25, 2007 2:37 pm)

And yet another battery in the running:
 
"Lithium ion batteries developed by the German company called Li-Tec, which is taking part in a development program with Bosch, "take up 30% less volume than those from Toyota" and "allow you to go three times further for the same weight than French models, " according to Li -Tec director Tim Schaefer.
 
Li-Tec’s ‘Separion’ system consists of two lithium electrodes in an electrolyte, separated by a flexible ceramic membrane that reportedly provides greater thermal stability than has so far been achieved in lithium ion batteries. Their tendency to overheat is what led Toyota to delay installing li-ion batteries in the forthcoming third-generation Prius hybrid. Other consortia besides Bosch are also developing lithium ion battery technologies focused on thermal control.
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http://puregreencars.com/Green-Cars-News/Technology/Li-Tec-Reports-Lithium-Ion-B- attery-Breakthrough.html
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Re: Will new lead acid batteries surpass Li-Ion?? [reddroverr] by tpe
Dec 12, 2007 (2:59 pm)
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Replying to: reddroverr (Dec 12, 2007 1:07 pm)

Here's another one
 
toshiba
 
Not a lot of specifics in this article other than a 5 minute recharge time and 10 year lifespan.
 
The field of companies conducting R&D on advancing battery technology is definitely getting crowded.
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Merry Christmas by pf_flyer HOST
Dec 24, 2007 (9:39 am)
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Wouldn't it be great to find Cool Stuff under the tree in the morning?
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Electrics in the news by pf_flyer HOST
Jan 22, 2008 (5:53 am)
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More electric vehicle news on the Alternate Route
 
Perfect Storm?
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EV Battery -- ThunderSky by marketdisc
Jan 30, 2008 (9:31 pm)
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I have a few questions about batteries for Electric Vehicle, especially by Thunder Sky (TS):
 
1. Is it really viable?
I choose a TS product:
  MODEL NO:TS-LFP90AHA
  Nominal Capacity :90AH
  Operating Voltage:2.5V~4.25V
  Weight:3kg±100g
  Dimensions:145×220×68(mm)
 
Let me assume its votage is 4.00V, then the capacity of a battery is 4V x 90 Ah - 360 Wh. I know a 1.2ton-car driving at 100 km/h needs power of about 13 kw. Then a TS battery can drive the car by 360 Wh / 13 kw= 0.08 hours, i.e. 2.8 km. So to drive 280 km the car needs 100 pieces of batteries, weighting 300 kg. But it is unlikely to drive a car with 300 kg batteris. Was my calculation correct?
 
2. May I know the installed-based for ThunderSky automobiles, especially in Europe in 2005-2007? Who are its main customers? What sale growth do you expect - Any committed contract?
 
3. What's the difference for batteries used on Fuel-cell EV, Hybrid EV, and Battery EV?
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Re: EV Battery -- ThunderSky [marketdisc] by plekto
Jan 31, 2008 (2:45 pm)
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Replying to: marketdisc (Jan 30, 2008 9:31 pm)

No, your calculations are exactly right. Most EVs have a thousand pounds or more of batteries and the makers extrapolate their best case scenario and then multiply it times the battery capacity to get "mileage".
 
Real world, it's often 1/2 of that.
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Re: EV Battery -- ThunderSky [marketdisc] by apeweek
Jan 31, 2008 (8:54 pm)
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Replying to: marketdisc (Jan 30, 2008 9:31 pm)

Your best bet is to talk to others who have used the Thunder Sky batteries in their EVs. Here's a page with several of them:
 
http://www.evalbum.com/battb/THUN
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Re: EV Battery -- ThunderSky [marketdisc] by reddroverr
Feb 04, 2008 (3:59 pm)
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Replying to: marketdisc (Jan 30, 2008 9:31 pm)

1. yes batteries are heavy, but the main problem at this point is cost.
 
2. sounds like you want someone to do investment research for you. contact the company or other sources.

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