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Re: Will new lead acid batteries surpass Li-Ion?? [gagrice] by apeweek
Nov 11, 2007 (6:00 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 11, 2007 1:47 pm)

...It looks to me like cobalt is a very important element in the manufacture of Li-Ion batteries. The high cost of cobalt will raise the future price of Li-Ion batteries, to some extent.
 
The most common EV lithium battery is LiFePO4, without cobalt. This type of battery is also safer and longer lived than the LiCoO2 cell (it doesn't explode, either.)
 
Materials costs are rising because of the falling dollar. Any materials that can be locally mined will have an advantage.
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Re: Will new lead acid batteries surpass Li-Ion?? [gagrice] by reddroverr
Nov 12, 2007 (6:23 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 11, 2007 8:27 am)

nice. the more angles worked on, the more likely we get a practical product.
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Re: Will new lead acid batteries surpass Li-Ion?? [reddroverr] by gagrice
Nov 12, 2007 (6:25 pm)
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Replying to: reddroverr (Nov 12, 2007 6:23 pm)

That is where I am coming from. May the best battery win. Hopefully one that can be built in the good old USA...
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ZAP Xebra passes inspection in the UK by pf_flyer HOST
Nov 20, 2007 (4:34 am)
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The Xebra becomes the first four-door electric car to be approved for street use in the UK.
 
Check the Alternate Route's take on being Street Legal
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Re: Will new lead acid batteries surpass Li-Ion?? [gagrice] by tpe
Nov 20, 2007 (5:29 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 12, 2007 6:25 pm)

Enerdel should be mass producing Li-ion batteries for EVs, PHEVs, and HEVs within the next year. Their headquarters is in Fort Lauderdale and their manufacturing plant will be in Indianapolis. They have already signed a contract with Think Nordic to provide batteries for their EVs to be produced starting in 2009. This contract is estimated to be worth anywhere from 70 million to 200 million dollars. Think Nordic was originally going to get their battery packs from Tesla Motors but has apparently reconsidered.
 
Enerdel's battery technology is similar to Altairnano's, no Cobalt or risk of thermal runaway. They also claim that the price of these battery packs will be low enough to allow for drivers to recoup the initial price premium of an EV within 2 years. We'll see but it sounds pretty good.
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Re: Will new lead acid batteries surpass Li-Ion?? [tpe] by reddroverr
Nov 25, 2007 (2:37 pm)
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Replying to: tpe (Nov 20, 2007 5:29 am)

They also claim that the price of these battery packs will be low enough to allow for drivers to recoup the initial price premium of an EV within 2 years. We'll see but it sounds pretty good.
 
Let's hope so, but that statement in itself is pretty vague. Do they give what they based that statement on? I looked at the company. Tiny little thing...perhaps..perhaps.
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Re: Will new lead acid batteries surpass Li-Ion?? [reddroverr] by reddroverr
Dec 12, 2007 (1:07 pm)
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Replying to: reddroverr (Nov 25, 2007 2:37 pm)

And yet another battery in the running:
 
"Lithium ion batteries developed by the German company called Li-Tec, which is taking part in a development program with Bosch, "take up 30% less volume than those from Toyota" and "allow you to go three times further for the same weight than French models, " according to Li -Tec director Tim Schaefer.
 
Li-Tec’s ‘Separion’ system consists of two lithium electrodes in an electrolyte, separated by a flexible ceramic membrane that reportedly provides greater thermal stability than has so far been achieved in lithium ion batteries. Their tendency to overheat is what led Toyota to delay installing li-ion batteries in the forthcoming third-generation Prius hybrid. Other consortia besides Bosch are also developing lithium ion battery technologies focused on thermal control.
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http://puregreencars.com/Green-Cars-News/Technology/Li-Tec-Reports-Lithium-Ion-B- attery-Breakthrough.html
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Re: Will new lead acid batteries surpass Li-Ion?? [reddroverr] by tpe
Dec 12, 2007 (2:59 pm)
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Replying to: reddroverr (Dec 12, 2007 1:07 pm)

Here's another one
 
toshiba
 
Not a lot of specifics in this article other than a 5 minute recharge time and 10 year lifespan.
 
The field of companies conducting R&D on advancing battery technology is definitely getting crowded.
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Merry Christmas by pf_flyer HOST
Dec 24, 2007 (9:39 am)
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Wouldn't it be great to find Cool Stuff under the tree in the morning?
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Electrics in the news by pf_flyer HOST
Jan 22, 2008 (5:53 am)
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More electric vehicle news on the Alternate Route
 
Perfect Storm?

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