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#1102 of 1625 Re: Taxes [tpe]
Jul 17, 2007 (5:59 am)
I think I agree with daysailer on this. I can remember talk of electric cars when I was very young. It came to reality sort of in the 1990s. Then went away again. I do not think we are on any verge of a break through on either hydrogen or EVs. I may be pleasantly surprised, though I doubt it.
EVs and hydrogen cars suffer from the same problem, Storage. The latest I have read the Civic FCX is still over $1,000,000 to build. Honda leases a very few to select customers at $500 per month. The current range for the hydrogen FCX is 210 miles. The FCX is an EV using hydrogen to generate the electricity in the car. It may be more practical than batteries.
The challenge is getting the cost from $1 million down to $25k where the competition lies.
#1104 of 1625 Re: Shifty's blog [kirstie_h]
Jul 17, 2007 (8:16 am)
That's as on point as i've heard it put..........."The electric car was killed by the electric car,......". Sort of like flying cars and amphibious cars of the '50s & '60s, and some of THOSE actually worked.
#1105 of 1625 Re: Shifty's blog [daysailer]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jul 17, 2007 (8:34 am)
it is interesting, isn't it, that electric cars built 100 years ago (!!!!) advertised a range of 80 miles on a charge? (1907 Detroit Electric). One factory-sponsored car allegedly was reported to have gone over 150 miles in an experiment. Didn't say what speeds, though.
Detroit Electric went out of business in 1939. They never built lots of cars though, only a few thousand a year as I recall.
Detroit Electric did pioneer the all-weather car however, since closed cars were very rare in the early 1910s. Imagine the range of this car had they used expensive aluminum or had plastics like they do today? They had to rely on heavy wood for the bodies. For a while, Willys made closed bodies for them, so the EVs had normal louvered hoods that I guess where actually trunks.
#1106 of 1625 A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far, away...
by PFFlyer@Edmunds HOST
Jul 17, 2007 (9:54 am)
In March of 1899, this beauty:
set a speed record of 105.882 km/h (65.792 mph)
Not sure what the current (ooo... pun alert) electric vehicle speed record is
#1107 of 1625 Re: Shifty's blog [Mr_Shiftright]
Jul 17, 2007 (10:44 am)
Imagine the range of this car had they used expensive aluminum...
Apparently it did...according to this ad: http://www.econogics.com/ev/detroad1.jpg
Also, if wikipedia can be believed, the top speed was 20 mph.
Jul 17, 2007 (11:12 am)
An article in the IEEE "Spectrum" (Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers) circa 1972/3 made such a reference, even predicting that by the turn of the century ALL cars might be EVs!
#1109 of 1625 Re: Shifty's blog [jeffyscott]
Jul 17, 2007 (11:18 am)
I look at that car compared to the Toyota RAV4 EV and conclude that we've come quite a way. Especially when you consider that development of this type of vehicle was basically abandoned for 50+ years.
#1110 of 1625 Re: Taxes [daysailer]
Jul 17, 2007 (11:20 am)
Obviously that prediction was wrong. As a result I wouldn't believe anything coming out of that rag.
#1111 of 1625 Re: Taxes [tpe]
Jul 17, 2007 (11:29 am)
Who can you believe? Toyota said they would have a PHEV by MY 2009. Now they are back tracking. Any prediction based on yet to be developed technology is suspect. Many times it is just wishful thinking. I have been hopeful of some practical breakthrough in EV technology for a long time. Still seems a long way off. Maybe further away than it was when the predictions were made in 1972.