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Re: engine problems [kashby]
by jirka
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Feb 06, 2009 (9:04 am)
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Replying to: kashby (May 23, 2008 9:17 pm)
Did you figure it out?
I have a similar problem with my Kia Sedona 2007.
- Suddenly the gas stops responding. The car slows down.
- the Check Engine and ESC-OFF lights turns on.
- I can continue to drive but only at about 8 mph. Depressing the gas does not make any difference - the RPMs of the engine do not change.
- When I stop, put the gear shift into "D" while standing on the brake, the car starts to jump like an old tractor (when I move it to "P" it stops but the engine still isn't running as smoothly as normally).
- Stopping and restarting (sometimes twice with a pause ) fixes the problems. The check engine light stays on for some time and then goes away.
It happened three times so far. The dealer says he cannot do much unless the check-engine light stays on (I would think the computer logs the error codes ...)
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- #124 of 159
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Re: engine problems [jirka]
by jimjimj
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Feb 06, 2009 (11:45 am)
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Replying to: jirka (Feb 06, 2009 9:04 am)
I've resorted to trying to have a video camera on hand the next time it happens so I can try to film it while trying to keep from being killed when it stalls on the highway. There is clearly something wrong as we are all having this problem; don't know why we can't get Kia's attention. I guess they would rather hope we go away a risk one of us getting killed and the big lawsuit. You would think the potential bad press would be deterrent.
No customer service these days, even before the economy tanked. People used to stand behind their products.
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- #125 of 159
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Re:Concerning post 37 Ours is having the starting problem too [althesandie]
by JonathanSFR
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Feb 08, 2009 (4:51 am)
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Replying to: althesandie (Feb 14, 2007 1:33 am)
Hi mate . Don't suppose you could give me the name of the electrical shop so I can get part number. My Kia has told me part is a Bosch immobiliser and costs £500 excluding fitting.
Many Thanks if you can
John
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- #126 of 159
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Re: engine problems [jirka]
by jirka
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Feb 09, 2009 (4:37 pm)
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Replying to: jirka (Feb 06, 2009 9:04 am)
Had it at the dealer today - they read the following error codes (the Check Engine light stayed on this time): P2106 p1295 P2135.
They applied some stabilant 22 and cleaned the TPS sensor following KT2009012207 Technical article (if that's a date 2009-01-22, it is pretty recent). It worked for about 5 hours. Then it started to happen again. About every 5min.
Based on the codes it seems similar this post (for Hyunday Veracruz) - in that case the ETC Actuator and Gasket was replaced.
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- #127 of 159
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Re: engine problems [jirka]
by mattone
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Apr 06, 2009 (5:43 pm)
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Replying to: jirka (Feb 09, 2009 4:37 pm)
I have 2 Kia 2008 Sedonas, I had this problem with one of the vehicles going into limp home mode a couple weeks ago and had error codes P2135 and P1295 the dealer seemed to fix it and since we were on our way to Disneyland, we ended up putting on a couple thousand more miles, with out problems. Today my other kia had the same problem with the accelerator basically not working and I had to turn it off and restart it to get it out of "limp home mode". I had to have my wife pick me up in her Sedona. And on the way home, unbelievably the same thing happened to hers. So now both of my vehicles have this same problem and I don't how I will get them both to the shop. But even worse, it doesn't seem like anyone can fix this problem, and I am surprised more people aren't having this problem (considering it happened to both of my Sedona's in a 2 hour period. Any advice?
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- #128 of 159
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Re: engine problems [mattone]
by jirka
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Apr 07, 2009 (5:59 am)
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Replying to: mattone (Apr 06, 2009 5:43 pm)
1. Towing to the nearest shop is covered by the warranty. Just call the hotline.
2. How did they fix it the first time? In my case they first cleaned the TPS (if I understand it right it is the thing that communicates the info from your accelerator to the engine) which helped for few hours  , they replaced it the next day and I haven't have problems since.
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- #129 of 159
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Re: engine problems [jirka]
by mattone
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Apr 11, 2009 (7:28 am)
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Replying to: jirka (Apr 07, 2009 5:59 am)
They ended up replacing the throttle body assembly, which they said included the TPS, so I was confident this would resolve the problem, it also looks like they replaced the ETC Actuator and the ETC Gasket. Unfortunately I didn't get 3 miles from the dealer and the same problem reoccurred with one of them (we are waiting for it to happen again to the other, its like walking on thin ice every time we drive it, but we need something to drive). Now its back in the shop and I feel like no one has any idea what is wrong with these 2 vans much less how to fix them. Can I really have such bad luck that I happen to have 2 vans with this exact same problem and no one else has seen this problem?
the codes that came up again, were p2106, p2195 and p2135.
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- #130 of 159
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Re: engine problems [jirka]
by gatotten
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Apr 11, 2009 (11:11 am)
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Replying to: jirka (Apr 07, 2009 5:59 am)
Replacing all of that stuff is OK - if you are still under waranty; however, the problems you are describing sound like a fuel pump failure. It is a known flaw in the pump design. The pump grinds itself into very fine metal particles, you start the car and drive and it's OK for a short while or until you try to accelerate onto the highway, then the metal clogs the filter (which is better than allowing it into you injectors!) and the car stops running. You let it sit for a while, the metal particles fall off the screen filter and your car will appear to start and run normally but it will fail again. If you are close to the end of the waranty insist that your dealer pulls the fuel pump and checks the filter screen. A second possible cause, but not as likely, is the Mas Air Flow (MAF) sensor. If one of the wires shorts out the car's computer goes into "limp" mode. (Adding Viagra to the gas tank will not help!) ;^)
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- #131 of 159
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Re: engine problems [mattone]
by jirka
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Apr 11, 2009 (4:50 pm)
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Replying to: mattone (Apr 11, 2009 7:28 am)
I do not know how long you have your car and what is the lemon law in your state. But: if I am not mistaken, in Ohio, if you have the vehicle for less than 12 mos (or the problem was first discovered in that period) and the problem is DANGEROUS they have only ONE chance to repair it (they have more chances in other cases). They tried yours 3times and it is still not OK. And it is dangerous - going into a limb mode without warning while in the left lane on a freeway is very dangerous. So if I were you I would check the lemon law in your state and then get your money back.... You can use it to buy a new Kia or Honda or whatever ...
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- #132 of 159
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Re: engine problems [jirka]
by mattone
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Apr 15, 2009 (5:09 pm)
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Replying to: jirka (Apr 11, 2009 4:50 pm)
Unfortunately they are used, and from what I have read regarding the lemon laws they only apply to new cars.I got my car back today after 5 days at the dealer, they replaced the ground bolts the tech said a couple of the grounds were rusted and that may have caused the problem. This was a recommendation from Kia and apparently they realized this problem was out there. The part number were GD8, G19, and G29. They also reflashed the ECM per Update. Frankly, I would be SHOCKED if this worked, but when the tech explained it to me it did make sense. And I was able to drive it home. If this doesn't work I will be asking about the fuel pump. But with under 20,000 miles on it I can't imagine how it can be the issue described above, involving the fuel pump
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