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Kia Rio Test Drive - What Did You Think?

25 messages,  Last post on Sep 28, 2006 at 6:47 PM

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Re: Saw an '06 Rio sedan last night.... [backy] by bamacar
Sep 07, 2005 (9:47 am)
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Replying to: backy (Sep 07, 2005 7:40 am)

Yes but you are comparing a 2006 LX to a base 2005. The 2006 LX with Auto (nearly 14k) includes A/C, CD, tilt wheel, tachometer, and power steering. To get those in 2005 you add Auto, A/C, CD player, and upgrade package. The total is $13385. The actual 2006 price is 13835 with the LX and auto so the difference is only $450. The 2006 has side curtain airbags, a more powerful engine, and much better fuel economy especially with the auto 38/29 versus 32/25. Also rear legroom is up from 31 inches to 34.3 inches.
 
The only question is why Kia does not allow the base model to have the auto in 2006.
 
I do agree the MSRP is not important as the rebates will quickly follow after release.
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Re: Saw an '06 Rio sedan last night.... [bamacar] by backy
Sep 07, 2005 (12:18 pm)
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Replying to: bamacar (Sep 07, 2005 9:47 am)

Sorry, I got the impression from your earlier post ("Then again a base 2005 Rio sedan with just A/C and Auto with manual windows and door locks stickers at 13500.") that we were talking about a base model with just A/C and automatic. So $450 isn't much of a bump then, but it's still a pricey proposition considering Kia and sister Hyundai have a reputation for value compared to the likes of Scion and Honda. Looks like Kia is expecting the new Rio to compete with the Big Boys on its own merits, list price notwithstanding.
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Re: Saw an '06 Rio sedan last night.... [backy] by spectraman
Sep 07, 2005 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Sep 07, 2005 12:18 pm)

BC said:
"...Looks like Kia is expecting the new Rio to compete with the Big Boys on its own merits, list price notwithstanding."

 
With the previous model Rio's reputation as a "Worst Car" (see: Forbes survey graph here), I think that it will take a few years of sales of the new model coupled with impeccable reliability before the name "Rio" will be truly competing with the "big boys", esp. in the arena of price.
 
Much like it is taking awhile for the name "Spectra" to shed its sub-par reputation.
 
It's doable (and is being done by the Spectra), but I think the name "Rio" carrys an even bigger stigma with the general buying public.
 
BUT..... with a substantially upgraded model coupled with sales of the next few model years at a cheap rate to adventuresome souls like us on here , KIA just might be in the "ball game" as they say.
 
-SM
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Re: Saw an '06 Rio sedan last night.... [spectraman] by backy
Sep 07, 2005 (1:45 pm)
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Replying to: spectraman (Sep 07, 2005 12:47 pm)

I completely agree. Which is why we see huge discounts/incentives on the Rio today ("Buy a new Rio for $6999!!") and why we'll see them on the '06 Rio in short order.
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Re: Saw an '06 Rio sedan last night.... [backy] by spmrebel
Sep 07, 2005 (2:26 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Sep 07, 2005 1:45 pm)

The MSRP for a 2006 Rio LX with auto and no options (manual windows and door locks) is 13905 (see my previous post). In my opinion, based on MSRP, the Rio is priced too high and their is not enough of a difference between it and the Spectra which is a substantially better car. The fit and finish is pretty good but the material quality on the interior is pretty bad. Its not any better than the 05 Rio and can't compare to my mom's Toyota Echo which is a direct competitor. The Spectra interior is so nice compared to all other cars in its price range that I was really hoping it would be the same for the Rio. The only thing going for the new Rio is it finally has very competitive EPA mpg estimates.
 
Shawn
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Re: Saw an '06 Rio sedan last night.... [spmrebel] by bamacar
Sep 07, 2005 (4:46 pm)
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Replying to: spmrebel (Sep 07, 2005 2:26 pm)

Then again a Spectra auto with A/C (with manual windows and manual locks, no cruise, no power mirrors, no keyless entry) is no bargain at an MSRP of $15350 either. That is why it has a $1750 rebate on it, too.
 
In 2006, the Spectra will lose the LX model. Thus the 2006 EX with Auto (will have A/C, keyless, power windows, locks, mirrors but no cruise) will have a MSRP of $15840 at its entry level.
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Re: Saw an '06 Rio sedan last night.... [bamacar] by spmrebel
Sep 08, 2005 (5:28 pm)
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Replying to: bamacar (Sep 07, 2005 4:46 pm)

You're correct. The Spectra LX is no bargain at that price with standard equipment. Didn't realize you could get a Spectra without power windows, power door locks and AC. I would have thought those would be standard as they are with the Elantra
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I saw the new Rio too by doohickie
Sep 08, 2005 (9:48 am)
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Our local dealer has 06 Rios in now as well, all sedans from what I see. All your impressions are similar to mine- better than the last one, but not good enough to charge as much as a Spectra.
 
I also saw a review of the new Rio at IGN.com. It concluded with this:
 
Hell, if given the choice between a Scion xA or a Rio5, we'd take the Rio any day of the week. It's a surprisingly good car, and we'd recommend the Rio to anyone looking to get into subcompact ride.
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Re: I saw the new Rio too [doohickie] by doohickie
Sep 08, 2005 (7:51 pm)
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Replying to: doohickie (Sep 08, 2005 9:48 am)

And now I've driven one. It was a sedan with AT; the salesman said he had been told production hadn't yet started on the hatchbacks.
 
It blows the Scion xA away on several counts: Seats are a little softer but very comfy (with dual knob height adjust); the engine, though buzzy on heavy acceleration, is very eager and ready to go. And even the buzz has a pleasant note. Once you're up to speed it quiets down nicely. The AT shifts *perfectly* for the engine coupled to it. A slight depression of the gas pedal drops the gear and you're goin'! The ride quality is adequate but not great for high speed slalom- but it is just perfect for your highway commute. Responsive but very smooth and quiet.
 
You can tell it is an economy car by the quality of the interior; it's nice, but still cheap. My current ride is a Ford Aspire, and the Rio interior surpasses that by a mile. It is more like my son's car- an Escort- but with more power, better seats and a kick-ss stereo.
 
The biggest area in which this car could use some improvement is rear seat leg room. But considering it is targeted at commuters and young families just starting out, they picked the right feature for compromise.
 
If the Rio ends up costing the same as a Spectra5, I may *still* buy the Rio because of its tremendous mileage numbers (29/38 with an AT- right up there with the xA).
 
Perhaps the thing I like best about the new Rio is it as the same straightforward simplicity of design that my Kia-built Ford Aspire has: you can see that decisions were made and that sometimes the less expensive choice won out, but you can also look at the alternatives and understand why.
 
So I had a good long talk with the salesman. He ran my credit numbers and said they weren't good enough for automatic approval of the lowest interest rate, but that we could try to submit an application for it and see if they approve it anyway. If not, we have good enough credit numbers for a decent rate, and then the rebate kicks back in, not to mention competitive bonus and possibly my wife's new graduate discount. I also found out they have a deal for employees where I work of Invoice + $200, then the rebates and stuff apply. So I should do pretty well. The Spectra5 and Rio5 are serious contenders. I found out my local Kia dealer is the #2 sales volume Kia dealer in the U.S., so they have lots of stock to choose from.
 
Question: I tried looking up the 06 Rio to find out its Invoice price. Is there somewhere on Edmunds (or anywhere else for that matter) that has Invoice values for th 06 Rio?
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Re: I saw the new Rio too [doohickie] by spmrebel
Sep 09, 2005 (8:31 pm)
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Replying to: doohickie (Sep 08, 2005 7:51 pm)

Doohickie,
 
Try www.kbb.com. They have invoice and MSRP prices for 2006 Rio and Rio5 and optional equipment.
 
Good luck!

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