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Re: All over the place on what I'm looking for [erniesdad] by plekto
Jul 01, 2009 (6:04 pm)
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Replying to: erniesdad (Jul 01, 2009 10:41 am)

Heh. Looks like the RAV-4 might be a winner, then, or a serious contender.
 
Note - the older, smaller version of the RAV4 is very good as well. It's OK with the 4 if you get manual because can rev it silly all day long. At ~4K RPM, it leaps into traffic like a scalded dog. Especially the smaller, slightly lighter previous gen Rav-4. I have a co-worker here at work who has one - 4 cylinder with manual - and it goes as fast as a Camry V6. Clutch is very light and easy. Looks a bit funky, though... but maybe you'll like it?
 
Also consider a previous gen extended cab Tacoma, if only because they are indestructible and have 4WD for bad weather. The previous gen also had less bling and plastic and was a bit smaller, making it a LOT easier to get in and out of traffic. the current one is honestly the same exact size as a 1990 or so F150.
 
The 4 it both are the same engines(think the V6 as well).
 
Other than that, I'm drawing a blank. Everything else is a minivan or SUV or some kind of mutant "softroader" thing.
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Having rented a couple of cars I was looking at... by demigawd
Jul 02, 2009 (5:34 am)
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I just got back from renting an S40 2.4i. I was hoping to get my hands on an S60R, but they're almost impossible to find as a rental unit. At first, I was unimpressed with the performance of the S40. It didn't seem any faster than, say, the Camry I rented the week before. Of course, I really liked the interior and the stereo and all of that. But what I really wanted was PERFORMANCE.
 
And then I noticed the little M on the shift.
 
I googled it and discovered that it was something called Geartronic, some kind of sorta-manual option. I've never driven a manual before, so I don't know anything about them, but I did some quick reading at work, and decided to give it a shot with the M mode.
 
Oh my god! Is this what I've been missing in not driving a manual? It made a HUGE difference. See, my problem was never simply wanting a really fast car. It was more about car reaction time than anything else. I didn't want some other car taking an opening in highway traffic, because I found that slipping through the crevices in traffic often made the difference between getting home at 6:30 and getting home at 7:20. But that annoying two second pause while the car slows down, gets back to speed, and then accelerates would always close my window of opportunity, or sometimes put me in dangerous situations where I'm not accelerating as quickly as the car coming up behind me.
 
But this M - it changed everything because now I don't have to wait for the car to decide what to do, it just does it. I can't believe how quickly it reacts now.
 
Now what I do is when I'm cruising on open road, I'll drive it in 5. When I'm in light, or high speed traffic I'll drive it in 4, and quickly switch to 3 when accelerating. The lag time is about half of what it is in full auto, and can always catch the openings now. And when I'm in moderate or medium speed traffic, I'll actually drive it in 3, and not switch gears at all. It reacts instantaneously. I've been able to catch 90% of the openings. And I don't have to know a thing about clutches and all that to be able to drive this. It's brilliant.
 
While I'll never go full out manual, I've fallen in love with this half-auto/half-manual concept. I need to know what other cars have that or a similar feature.
 
Any suggestions? Is this an option on the entire Volvo line?
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Re: Having rented a couple of cars I was looking at... [demigawd] by sebring95
Jul 02, 2009 (6:01 am)
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Replying to: demigawd (Jul 02, 2009 5:34 am)

The manual mode is common in most automatics these days. Implementation and operation can be different, but it's common. VW has a DSG transmission which really operates like a manual (it technically is a manual but without a clutch) and it REALLY feels like a manual. I've never been overly excited about the "manumatic" types but it can help for instances like you mention. Some have paddle shifters or buttons on the steering wheels to shift as well.
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Re: Having rented a couple of cars I was looking at... [demigawd] by qbrozen
Jul 02, 2009 (8:19 am)
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Replying to: demigawd (Jul 02, 2009 5:34 am)

As sebring said, you'll find it on most cars these days. However, some work better than others. Volvo's geartronic is pretty good in that it will hold the gear you select rather than take control back from you and shift when you hit redline. It is not the fastest reacting, though.
 
Also, I wanted to point out that you rented a 2.4i. So, no, it is no faster than a Camry. And, in fact, a Camry V6 will blow its doors off. What you really want to try is the T5 model. Off the top of my head, I think its about 60 more hp and about the same increase in torque, too.
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Re: Having rented a couple of cars I was looking at... [qbrozen] by demigawd
Jul 02, 2009 (9:20 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jul 02, 2009 8:19 am)

You mentioned that Volvo's geartronic is not the fastest reacting - what woud you say is a faster reacting one? I was pretty happy with how quickly it reacted in 2nd and 3rd gear on the highway. It was average starting from a red light, but other than that, I was pretty happy with the improvement. Then again, that's the first such semi-manual car I've ever driven, so I have no basis for comparison.
 
I would have loved to drive a more performance-oriented Volvo, but rental companies usually stick with the base units, for understandable reasons. So finding any turbo rentals is going to be a tall order. There aren't all that many V6s, for that matter. I was able to get my hands on an '08 Altima V6 a few weeks ago, but that's the most powerful car I've ever seen available at my local rental places (airport locations have the good stuff, but usually have rules preventing them from renting to locals - and they charge 3x the price). It accelerated beautifully, but I'm not sure if the engine had a problem because it was LOUD and never seemed to coast - it was like as soon as I released the gas, the car would start to brake itself. It limited my enjoyment of the car, I'm not sure if that's just the way the Altima is, or if there was a problem with the car, or if maybe there was a configuration on there that I didn't know about that made it that way.
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Re: Having rented a couple of cars I was looking at... [demigawd] by sebring95
Jul 02, 2009 (9:44 am)
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Replying to: demigawd (Jul 02, 2009 9:20 am)

How about just hitting some car dealerships for a test drive? That way you find exactly what you're looking for and it doesn't cost you anything. If you find something you really like, they should let you keep it for a long test drive or even overnight.
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family vehicle by carstryke
Jul 02, 2009 (3:34 pm)
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loves- Manual transmission, cargo space
hates- minivans
kids 3- 2 carseats 1 booster seat
 
Budget - $32,000 cdn i think thats around $27,000-$28,000 for you americans
Can go higher than $32,000 but i would really love not to.
Any non Minivan suggestions?
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Re: family vehicle [carstryke] by plekto
Jul 02, 2009 (8:38 pm)
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Replying to: carstryke (Jul 02, 2009 3:34 pm)

Does the cargo space have to be covered? If not, a crew/double cab pickup might be a good option.
 
Volvo, Subaru, and a few others make mini wagons/wagons with manuals.
 
And of course, there's always things like a 4Runner or similar that aren't yuppie soft-roaders or minivans with AWD crammed on them and lifted.
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Re: family vehicle [carstryke] by suydam
Jul 03, 2009 (5:15 am)
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Replying to: carstryke (Jul 02, 2009 3:34 pm)

I hate to say it, but no other vehicle than a minivan will give you the flexibility, passenger room, and cargo space you will need as they grow up. You can get a big hulking Chevy Suburban or something like that, but you'll have more driveability, cargo room and way better fuel economy with a minivan. The alternatives are large SUVs like the Honda Pilot. Another possibility: a big Volvo station wagon. Face it. No family vehicle will be cool.
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Re: family vehicle [carstryke] by erniesdad
Jul 03, 2009 (6:19 am)
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Replying to: carstryke (Jul 02, 2009 3:34 pm)

They're Auto, not a stick, but a ford flex or ford edge would be a pretty good fit, particularly the flex, though that's at the ragged edge of what you are looking for pricewise. The flex doesn't look much like a minivan or SUV, more like a tall station wagon. All it needs is the fake wood paneling.

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