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What's the best vehicle for my needs?

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Re: Performance AWD cars [exb0] by kirstie_h HOST
Jun 22, 2009 (7:47 am)
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Replying to: exb0 (Jun 22, 2009 5:20 am)

I have a G35 (not the x, though), and I can testify that yup, maintenance costs are more expensive. ~$800 for tires, and it chews through rear brakes & rotors with regularity.
 
However, the one thing I can say in favor of the costs is that I've spent exactly $0 in repair over its 92,000 mile lifespan. Nothing's gone wrong - just regular maintenance stuff like brake pads, tires, and just replaced the belts.
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Re: Performance AWD cars [kirstie_h] by qbrozen
Jun 22, 2009 (9:04 am)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Jun 22, 2009 7:47 am)

Hmmm... well, that's what you get for going to the dealer. ;b
 
I don't know what its more expensive than. So far, parts have been comparable to my other newer cars, and the only reason I've gone through tires faster is the way I drive it. I bought a set of Sumitomos for the track for ~$440 and another set of all-seasons for the bad weather for ~$500.
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Re: Performance AWD cars [dave8697] by qbrozen
Jun 22, 2009 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jun 20, 2009 8:43 pm)

But what does 'hurt' mean?
 
I'll give ya an example. I bought an '03 Lincoln LS V8 with 30k miles in October '05 for right about $20k. It was a decent price. Trade value was about $18k. About 18 months later, trade value was $12k. So it depreciated somewhere in the 55-60% neighborhood in the first 2 years and went on to depreciate like a rock after that.
 
Like I said, it CAN hurt.
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Re: Performance AWD cars [qbrozen] by dave8697
Jun 22, 2009 (7:19 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jun 22, 2009 9:10 am)

Your example was over $5500 a year. A lot depends on how you get rid of it. trading is asking the dealer to give you $4k less than PP. I spend about $30-40k a decade on cars and a decade later they are worth 10% or 20% of that. Recently I bought 3 used cars/trucks for $15k total and they combined for far less depreciation than my new '98 Astro by itself. My next one will still be new, but only because I don't drive 100 miles a day anymore.
 
If I buy it new, I fix everything that goes wrong with it. When I buy used, I find 3 or 4 expensive things wrong with it within a year and I never get them fixed.
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Re: Performance AWD cars [dave8697] by qbrozen
Jun 23, 2009 (7:41 am)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jun 22, 2009 7:19 pm)

Yup, like I said, it depends. I only said it CAN hurt, not that it always does. I've done quite well on cars, too. I bought a 350Z from a dealer used and traded it 9 months later at just a $1500 loss. That's only $167/mo. I couldn't come close to even leasing for that price.
 
trading is asking the dealer to give you $4k less than PP.
 
First off, if you get $4k more PP than trade-in, you've found yourself an incredible sucker. Typical dealer asking price is $4k over trade. Typical selling is more like $3k over trade. Private party, best case scenario, is more like $1500-$2k over. Take out the ad fees, detail cost, repair costs, and lost tax advantage (in my state, anyway), and trading is no worse than selling PP on vehicles over $10k.
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Turbocharged cars by demigawd
Jun 24, 2009 (6:39 am)
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Say, I've been reading up on turbocharged cars. I like the idea of a car with the fuel economy of a 4-Cyl, but the power of a V6 or V8 - BUT, I've heard mentions of a "turbo lag". I figure it's not a big deal when accelerating from a stop. But is turbo lag going to negatively affect my ability to pass in and out of traffic quickly? I'm a lot more concerned about navigating high speed highway traffic than zooming up the fast lane, so I'm not sure if turbo is the way to go in that case.
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Re: Turbocharged cars [demigawd] by corvette
Jun 24, 2009 (7:28 am)
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Replying to: demigawd (Jun 24, 2009 6:39 am)

Depends on the engine. VW's 1.8T engine had pretty noticeable turbo lag, but the 2.0T does not. Also, I didn't notice lag with Volvo's light-pressure 2.5 liter turbo five-cylinder.
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Re: Turbocharged cars [demigawd] by qbrozen
Jun 24, 2009 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: demigawd (Jun 24, 2009 6:39 am)

Turbo lag only affects the car from a stop in most cases. Once the engine is spinning at a couple thousand RPMs, the lag isn't there, so passing is not an issue.
 
However, "the economy of a 4-cyl with the power of a V6 or V8" is marketing BS, for the most part. Power costs gas, no matter how it is achieved. For example, a WRX STi gets 19mpg combined (300hp turbo 4 AWD). A 335ix gets 19mpg combined (300hp turbo 6 AWD). A G35X gets 19mpg combined (300hp NA 6 AWD).
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Re: Turbocharged cars [qbrozen] by jeffyscott
Jun 24, 2009 (9:23 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jun 24, 2009 9:10 am)

I would assume that if you actually use that power, you will not get the 4 cyl mpg and if you do not use the power, why'd you buy the turbo?
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Re: Turbocharged cars [jeffyscott] by sebring95
Jun 24, 2009 (9:50 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jun 24, 2009 9:23 am)

Unless you're driving the car at 9/10ths all the time, the turbo 4 should return better economy. I could get along fine with one because most of my commute is normal 55-70mph stuff, but I occasionally need to blast around someone on a short passing zone.

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