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Re: Performance AWD cars [demigawd] by sebring95
Jun 19, 2009 (9:45 am)
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Replying to: demigawd (Jun 19, 2009 9:08 am)

The 2.5 models are 5-cylinders, the 2.0T models have the turbo and are the quicker of the two.
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Re: Performance AWD cars [demigawd] by jeffyscott
Jun 19, 2009 (10:44 am)
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Replying to: demigawd (Jun 19, 2009 9:08 am)

As indicated the 2.0T is the turbo, the sportier version of the car that has that engine is called the GLI. Not that you have to buy the GLI to get the turbo engine.
 
While they don't have AWD, they do have ESP (VW's designation of ESC). This helps a lot with handling in slippery conditions. IMO, if you had to choose between the two I think you are better off with ESC than AWD, if you are driving on roads that are normally going to be plowed but possibly slippery. We've lived in N. IL and S. WI all our lives and have never had AWD, but my wife now has a Jetta with ESP and loves how it handles winter weather.
 
AWD gives some driver's a false sense of security because it enables them to go and it leads to driving too fast in snow and then ending up off the road in a ditch with their AWD or 4WD vehicles, because they can not stop or turn any better than FWD vehicles.
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Re: Performance AWD cars [jeffyscott] by plekto
Jun 19, 2009 (12:08 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jun 19, 2009 10:44 am)

Also, look up videos on youtube about awd tests/comparisons. The problem is that AWD is only usable for stopoping and getting going in snow and a bit of mud and the like unless it's fully engaged all the time(Subaru and Audi do this, for instance). At speed, any type that transfers back and forth can't react quickly enough or in many cases, just fails completely. Literally. Car tries to climb a slight incline that's muddy muddy and stops dead while its computers get a headache. You have to see the videos to believe it.
 
The word you are looking for is "4WD". Switch into 4WD with snow tires or knobbies/mudders on it and a SUV or truck will creep and crawl over most anything. If you want real safety in the rain, get a Subaru or Audi. If you want it for the snow, switch to 4WD and go slower.
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Re: Performance AWD cars [demigawd] by lilengineerboy
Jun 19, 2009 (12:12 pm)
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Replying to: demigawd (Jun 19, 2009 8:22 am)

Oh you know, I probably should have mentioned - I can't drive stick
 
I think its challenging to find a fast slushbox (automatic) with an AWD vehicle in that price range. One of the things you didn't mention was fuel economy, so that might be the trade off value for you. Also, everything mentioned so far, the WRX, the G35, the VW, and the Volvo require/recommend premium unleaded.
 
How fast/expensive is a Subaru Legacy GT 2005+ or Forrester with the 2.5 turbo?
 
I don't know that the slushie Audi A4 Tq meets the speed cut off, and the 330xi might be pricey to maintain, or older to meet pricing constraints.
 
You might want to be a bit more subjective about the 0-60 and instead look at 30-60 or 50-70 times, since that is more relevant to merging in traffic.
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Re: Performance AWD cars [plekto] by lilengineerboy
Jun 19, 2009 (12:15 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Jun 19, 2009 12:08 pm)


The word you are looking for is "4WD". Switch into 4WD with snow tires or knobbies/mudders on it and a SUV or truck will creep and crawl over most anything. If you want real safety in the rain, get a Subaru or Audi. If you want it for the snow, switch to 4WD and go slower.

 
I disagree. Full time AWD with limited slip differentials is pretty good in the snow. 4wd with open differentials leads to 3 wheels stopped and one wheel with no traction spinning its heart out. 4wd low locks the transfer case, but then you are going ~12 mph and its not so practical for highway travel.
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Re: Performance AWD cars [demigawd] by qbrozen
Jun 19, 2009 (12:15 pm)
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Replying to: demigawd (Jun 19, 2009 8:42 am)

I just looked up the S60. It says it has a 0-60 of 9.5 seconds. Does that sound right to you? If so, that's a bit sluggish. I was hoping for 7 or less.
 
No way. That must be the number for the base 2.4 non-turbo model. Our XC90 has the same 2.5T as the S60 and even it hits 60 in less than 9 secs. The S60 is about 1,000 lbs lighter. All you can do is drive one and judge for yourself. I don't find them slow, personally.
 
Shame about the G35x in your area. I can probably find a dozen in a few minutes here in NJ.
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Re: Performance AWD cars [plekto] by demigawd
Jun 19, 2009 (12:42 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Jun 19, 2009 12:08 pm)

>>The problem is that AWD is only usable for stopping and getting going in snow
 
Getting it out of my driveway after a fresh snowstorm is about all I need it for. I'm not a particularly reckless driver, so I tend not to drive faster than 85 in any condition, and I don't usually hop into narrow spaces in traffic. So I've driven RWD cars before when renting and never had a problem handling even during snowstorms because I'm not an overly aggressive driver.
 
It would really just be nice to see an opening in the lane next to me when my lane gets clogged and not lose it every time to the guy behind me because his car accelerates faster than mine. I think that's my ONLY motive.
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Found a new car to consider by demigawd
Jun 19, 2009 (1:09 pm)
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I just saw a listing for an AWD 2004 Jaguar X-TYPE 3.0 X-type 3.0. 35k miles, at $13,500. 0-6 in 7 even. Anybody have an experience with this car? Any drawbacks?
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Re: Found a new car to consider [demigawd] by demigawd
Jun 19, 2009 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: demigawd (Jun 19, 2009 1:09 pm)

I also just now saw a 2002 bmw 330xi awd for sale - 13k. Also gets 0-60 in 7 even. All things considered, which is better between the 2004 x-type 3.0 and the 2002 330xi?
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Re: Performance AWD cars [demigawd] by jeffyscott
Jun 19, 2009 (1:53 pm)
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Replying to: demigawd (Jun 19, 2009 12:42 pm)

Getting it out of my driveway after a fresh snowstorm is about all I need it for.
 
Use the money you save by not getting AWD to buy a snow blower.

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