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Re: Need help with final [family] car choice! [shawbeg] [jeffyscott] [shawbeg]
by sebring95
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Jan 23, 2009 (12:43 pm)
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Replying to: shawbeg (Jan 23, 2009 12:24 pm)
Let me make sure I understand -- since I'm getting 17mpg in the old car, which is that car's listed hwy mgp, I could expect to get the hwy mpg in any newer car I buy?
That doesn't really work well when comparing apples to kumquats. One reason is because the difference between city and hwy mileage isn't that great on trucks/vans/etc.. For example, my truck is rated 14city/17hwy and I tend to average around 16mpg. A Vanagon is rated 15/17. So they're basically saying it doesn't matter how or where you drive, these things get terrible mpg. On other more aerodynamic vehicles (i.e. not bricks) they can get far better mpg on the highway. I would say someone comparing newer vehicles can easily expect to get a similar % of EPA mileage when going with a similar style vehicle. Around town it's very hard to get extremely good mileage. It basically comes down to how much fuel does the car burn when idling. This is where hybrids and diesels do well because they use far less fuel to begin with. The rest just comes down to engine size....smaller engines burn less fuel when idling.
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Re: Need help with final [family] car choice! [shawbeg] [sebring95]
by shawbeg
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Jan 23, 2009 (1:09 pm)
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Replying to: sebring95 (Jan 23, 2009 12:32 pm)
Funny you should mention the Jetta TDI. That was, in fact, the first car we considered. Several factors are impacting the shift away from that choice, but the biggest is that the '05s are the newest used we can get. Since we don't trade up very often (heh), it seemed that buying something newer and with fewer miles on the odom. would be a smart way to go this time around. The other factors are the higher cost of diesel fuel and the purported "quirky" natures of the Volkswagen engines. We would know!
Haven't yet had either kid actually SIT in the rear seats of the 5, but you make a good point about leg room. Oldest is already 5'6 and likely still growing since she's only 14. We both have the legs of someone much taller. The bucket seats give the appearance of being roomier, but maybe not.
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- #792 of 1145
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Re: Need help with final [family] car choice! [shawbeg] [jeffyscott] [shawb
by shawbeg
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Jan 23, 2009 (1:14 pm)
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Replying to: sebring95 (Jan 23, 2009 12:43 pm)
Ha! Brick. Little did you know that our "brick" is actually even brick colored!
On the "around town" driving, the thing is, where we live it's not like we're doing a ton of idling. We're in a rural area with long runs between towns. I'm back and forth between the town where I live and the town where all the kids' activities take place (about 20 miles r/t) at least 5 days/week. But, it's not like driving in a city where every 100 yds you're at another stop light.
But, generally, I know that in town mileage will be poorer than hwy, and since that comprises the bulk of my driving, I didn't want to "settle" for a car that only lists 20mpg in town. That's what turned me on to the Matrix.
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Freestyle Wagon
by sandman46
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Jan 23, 2009 (1:58 pm)
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Check these out...nice looking vehicle with acceptable mileage and comfortable seating with room in the rear for gear. If I were looking for a car but didn't want a minivan and needed some room, I'd go got the Freestyle myself. The HHR might be a good choice also. Very comfortable seating with good storage out back and "fun" to drive and with GM pricing...another good choice.
The Sandman
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Re: Need help with final [family] car choice! [shawbeg] [jeffyscott] [shawb [shawbeg]
by morin2
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Jan 23, 2009 (2:00 pm)
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Replying to: shawbeg (Jan 23, 2009 1:14 pm)
If considering the Taurus wagon - look at the Sable version as well. I think these can be steals due to the depreciation. I like Subarus in general & have owned 3, but rear legroom can be problematic - try rear seat legroom before test drive. Remember that the Outbacks have the sweet H6 engine option - but those were 30k new, so you'd have to go back to 05/06 to get one for 15K and be willing to spring for premium fuel. What about the Volvo V70 ? I'd look for the FWD version if you don't need the AWD cross-country - sharper relative depreciation than Subaru and comfortable seats. I like them because their long flat roofs are good for carrying kayaks & canoes. If I had a Saab dealer closer than 75 miles away, I'd consider a late model used 9-5 wagon too.
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Re: Need help with final [family] car choice! [shawbeg] [jeffyscott] [shawbeg]
by cccompson
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Jan 23, 2009 (6:10 pm)
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Replying to: shawbeg (Jan 23, 2009 12:24 pm)
"Spacious interior" and decent highway mileage requirements = minivan. Quite frankly, with two growing teens, their friends, and luggage, it's hard to see how anything else fits the bill. And you should be able to get a very nice late model Odyssey or Sienna for 15K or less.
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Re: Need help with final [family] car choice! [shawbeg]
by plekto
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Jan 23, 2009 (11:27 pm)
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Replying to: shawbeg (Jan 23, 2009 11:31 am)
If you don't mind (or prefer) driving manual, there is another car that might fit the bill quite nicely. A 4-5 year old Mercedes C230K sedan. This is a sedan with the 1.8L Kompressor engine. ~190HP and a reliable 30mpg on the highway. If you avoid the automatic and the nav and other high-tech idiocy, the vehicle is very reliable and good to drive. Oh, and avoid the automatic. Seriously. Mercedes and Chrysler both made rubbish (reliability) automatics before the merger and nothing changed during or after with either one.
And right in your price range.
Another good choice is a 4 cylinder Altima. Larger and consistently gets 30mpg highway.
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Re: Need help with final [family] car choice! [shawbeg] [jeffyscott] [shawb
by shawbeg
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Jan 24, 2009 (6:24 am)
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Replying to: cccompson (Jan 23, 2009 6:10 pm)
cccompson -- The Mazda 5s get slightly better gas mileage than the Odysseys or Siennas without a huge compromise on room. Any reason why you didn't "endorse" the MZ5?
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Re: Need help with final [family] car choice! [shawbeg] [plekto]
by shawbeg
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Jan 24, 2009 (6:28 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Jan 23, 2009 11:27 pm)
plekto - NO problem with manual. Prefer it, actually, though it is more difficult to find in a used "family" car. Again, though, the Mercedes mpg is about the same as the MZ5, so why go there? I'm not entirely sold on the 5, really (I'm starting to sound like a commercial for them, I know), but I'm wondering what's *wrong* with them that folks consistently suggest alternatives. What am I missing? Must go back and re-read these posts. Maybe there was something in there that I've forgotten.
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Consider the Vibe as well
by suydam
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Jan 24, 2009 (6:48 am)
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If you like the Matrix, the Pontiac Vibe is basically the same vehicle but sells for less. They can be hard to find used but I really like ours. However, for the size of your family and their ages, I would think a minivan would really be more comfortable. Toyota Sienna gets decent mileage and could haul kids, friends, and gear with ease. A wagon isn't that much cooler than a minivan really!
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