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#5 of 64 um, SLS by blkhemi Aug 03, 2006 (1:30 pm)
The STS-v with a '06 E55 AMG matching 469hp is very competitve. Most auto rags actually prefer it over the $83k E55. Although the E63 is faster, it's not out just yet. Replies to this message: sls002 (Aug 04, 2006 6:11 am) blkhemi (Aug 04, 2006 4:40 pm)
#6 of 64 Re: um, SLS [blkhemi] by sls002 Aug 04, 2006 (6:11 am)
Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 03, 2006 1:30 pm) The car magazines are running stories on their tests, and comparison tests of the AMG E63, so there are some E63 out there. While the STS_V has decent performance, and compared to the M5, is a car that can be driven in stop and go traffic on a daily basis, the STS_V was never a top choice in any comparison test.   I still think that a FWD DTS V-series is a silly idea. A more upscale RWD DTS might be a good platform for a V-series, but now the base price will probably be $60,000 for a V8, $120,000 for a V12 and, finally, $300,000 for the V16 V-series model. Replies to this message: blkhemi (Aug 04, 2006 4:40 pm)
#7 of 64 Re: um, SLS [sls002] by blkhemi Aug 04, 2006 (4:40 pm)
Replying to: sls002 (Aug 04, 2006 6:11 am) Car and Driver placed the car ahead of the E55 only to be beat by the top dog M5.   To me, the STS-v splits the difference between them all. The car is an everyday user, not as hard edged as the M5, and more fun to drive than the E55, more reliable also.   As for the V16, we may as well forget it. That engine will never be produced unless Caddy finally decides to go upmarket. However, the V12 Escalade is a go for '08, along with hybrid. We may see this engine in a so-called DTS-v, if that ever comes true. I do believe that Caddy wants to get serious with the Europeans, witnessed by the awesome STS-v/CTS and CTS-v. And this is why the next DTS will be RWD with a sport variant similar to the S63/S65 AMG's from Benz.
#8 of 64 umm - blkhemi by sls002 Aug 05, 2006 (8:02 am)
In the July Automobile, they had a comparison test of the new V10 Audi S6, the V10 M5 BMW, and the AMG E63 Mercedes. The STS_V was not considered. They ranked the M5 3rd, the Audi 2nd and the E63 first.   My point has been that the FWD DTS would not make much of a platform for a serious V-series car. The issue for a RWD DTS is what sort of car should this be. If the future DTS is to continue as a popularly priced large sedan as the Sedan deVille has been historically, then what platform it should be built on is the question. The sigma platform is expensive, and a large sedan (larger than the STS) should be more expensive than the V8 STS is. This would move the DTS into a higher price range than the popularly price DTS is currently. The "global RWD platform" that GM's Holden models use for their larger sedans would make sense for a popularly price RWD deVille Cadillac. This would not be the best platform for a serious V-series deVille though. The best platform for a V-series deVille would be the sigma platform.   At this point in time, with the future deVille replacement's platform in some question, I think talk of a V-series model is premature.
#9 of 64 DTS-V is possible!` by supercool Aug 06, 2006 (12:21 am)
A DTS-V is possible simply from the current GM parts bin.   A 16 cylinder engine is out of the question with gas prices above 2 dollars, and that is not even considering the current 3 dollars prices that we are seeing, which by the way is just un-American. Additionally, these prices are overpriced with the amount of oil that is available throught out the world, however this is an issue to a different forum.   A FWD DTS-V is a non-sensical competitor; however an AWD is the way to go, since the parts bin is already established by virture of the STS. The base components are in place and balancing is all that remains for the extended wheel base necessary for a DTS.   Further, base competition is now 500 hp in the upper eschelon class of the M cars of BMW and the S cars of Audi, and Mecerdes Benz. The North Star power plant is easily capable of producing these horses and if necessary to play hard ball, GM can certainly lean on the Corvette engine to get the job done and get into the game.   As for marketing, using the Chrysler model of the 300M and the hemi-engine; most 300M are base models, but the hemi-engine gets folks to by the base with the association of the hemi. A DTS-V can do the same marketing job!   With all this being said, I want my DTS-V!   SuperCool Replies to this message: sls002 (Aug 06, 2006 8:14 am)
#10 of 64 Re: DTS-V is possible!` [supercool] by sls002 Aug 06, 2006 (8:14 am)
Replying to: supercool (Aug 06, 2006 12:21 am) The STS is a sigma-platform model. The sigma-platform AWD can't be transplanted into a FWD G-platform, which is what the FWD DTS is.   What you seem to be saying is that the refinement of the DOHC VVT northstar V8 should be replaced with an unrefined pushrod V8 of at least 500 horsepower.   In any case, I think that more can be done with the existing V-series models before wasting good money on yet another half baked V-series model.
#11 of 64 Move the DTS-V program to the next level by supercool Aug 06, 2006 (12:13 pm)
I'm in agreement with you on platforms. The G-platform needs to go away and the sigma platform becomes the standard.   Essentially what happens is the the STS becomes stretched to become a DTS. It's no engineering marvel or feat to make this move.   As for horse power, I'm of the opinion the DOHC WT Northstar is capable of cranking out 500 horses. Once again, the parts bin already stocked with the components to make this happen. I only mention pushrod V8 as a matter of raw power capability in order to compete against the Europeans.   Hence, its no major leap or half-baked concept to create a DTS-V because all the components are already in place.   The major move is to assemble, balance and refine the components to fit the "big boy" and then Cadillac becomes a complete player on the performance realm matching up against BMW, Audi and M-Benz. From this stand point, then Cadillac can begin to improve on its stats.   Currently, according to all the car rags, the V cars are only lagging by 1-1.5 seconds. Of course, 1-1.5 seconds is significant, but its clear where we stand and where the improve needs to come. Easy measurements and improvements to monitor.   The final piece is the marketing to make the V-series luster and "bad assness" glow over to the base models.   I want my DTS-V! Replies to this message: sls002 (Aug 07, 2006 6:20 am)
#12 of 64 Re: Move the DTS-V program to the next level [supercool] by sls002 Aug 07, 2006 (6:20 am)
Replying to: supercool (Aug 06, 2006 12:13 pm) There are those who complain that the STS has too little shoulder and hip room. They like the wider body that the current DTS has. I think that a sigma DTS needs to go onto a wider and longer body.   The current STS is about $10,000 more that the CTS. One assumes that the V8 DTS would then be about $10,000 than a similar V8 STS. I would guess that the base price for a sigma DTS would be around $60,000.
#13 of 64 DTS-V by supercool Aug 07, 2006 (7:38 am)
I agree. If you're over 6 feet tall and larger than a medium frame, the STS is a tight fit. It would be fine for computing or hopping around, but for any significant road trip, the STS would feel cramped after 3 hours.   DTS-V simply needs to incorporated the systems of the STS-V; upgrade, beef-up, or strengthen materials to accomodate for the larger size of the DTS and you've got a class car!   I want my DTS-V!
#14 of 64 Price by supercool Aug 08, 2006 (8:01 am)
$60,000 for a top notch V-Series DTS would be bargain!   I want my DTS-V Replies to this message: sls002 (Aug 10, 2006 7:10 am)

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