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Replying to: caffeinated (Jul 29, 2006 4:49 pm) Principals: do not wait until you need a car to buy one. If you do, do not let the sales person know you are on a limited time table. The longest it has ever taken me to get the deal I wanted was 3 days. That was when I walked out of the dealer and waited for them to call me saying something new had happened and they could meet my price. When I am talking price it is always "out the door" price. that is tax, title, lic., processing fee etc. I have walked out of more than one dealer because I have told them that and they insist on giving me the "car price" only. they expect me to just go ahead and take the deal once they fill out the contract and there are other costs on it, no way. I biggist problem with sale people that they listen, but go ahead and do thier normal routine anyway. There is no car that "have to have". If the one I want is more than I want to pay at one dealer, I can get one just like it at another. That is especially true today as all car are produced in 3 basic price groups. these are Basic, middle, and top-end in either sport or luxery options. I usually go for the middle or high-end myself. that is because I insist on leather seats and have to go to the higher end models to get them. Steps: I start the process 18 months before I plan to buy. this is not a time consuming thing until the last 2 weeks to a month or so. I just monitor changes in prices mostly. Research on the internet and decide on 3 or 4 cars I would like. I say this, but in the end I usually do get to really liking a specific. I have never had to go to my second choice. Go to dealer when they are not open and find what the 3 standard levels, basic, mid, high, include. Regardless of the options offered, most have packages of bundled options. I decide on the level I want and get the prices from the net, things like the Edmunds TMV. I use the TMV to get an idea of how dealers are treating specific cars, not as what I will pay for it. I multiply the MSRP by .85. That gives me my target price out the door. That is  20% below sticker with the tax, title, lic., etc added on. When I go the lot, I start looking at model less expensive than what I want. I let the salesperson think they talk me up to a different model. When I bought my 97 monte Carlo I began by looking at Malibu. When we do get to looking at what I am really interested in, and I am asked what I am willing to spend I give a range that is a thousand or so less than my true amount. this may a little dis-honest, but when was the last time a salesperson was honest with you. It is just part of the game. I make certain that the sales person understands that any price they give is out the door. We play the game of the salesperson checking with thier boss a couple of times, which they don't really have to do. they know what they can sell the car for. The wife and I never talk about the deal while the saleperson is gone. Yes, some dealers do have phones setup so they can listen in. If I don't have the deal I want after three times, I leave. I do not let them wear me down and play the shell game with numbers. I have not had to leave a dealer more than 4 or 5 times over the years. A word on financing. I set up my financing before I start. I have a pre-approved loan before I start shopping. But if you do this, do not let the salesperson know it. also, don't be mis-lead by low interest rates. your best bet is your cerdit union if you belong to one. Even if the dealer's rate is lower you will end up paying more for the car. It is all in the wording of the financial contract. My biggest problem. I am sorry to say it is my wife. If she is crazy about a car she can't keep quiet about it to the salesperson. In earlier years I have had to leave dealerships because I knew the salesperson knew the wife was crazy about the car. She is better now, but I thought I was going have to leave on the G6 deal because of this. Instead I worked the deal after the wife had went back home. I had to come over as sort of a jerk letting the saleman know the wife would get over it if she didn't get the car and I would deal with that. One last word. What if sale people read this and reconize what you are doing? Who cares, the bottom line is they will sell the car for 15% under MSRP out the door. They may not like it, but I am not at the dealership to make friends, we are not going to have a beer later, be fishing buddies, etc. I am not going to try and match wits with the sales person, they do this everyday and will always win. I just know what I am willing to pay, and I know it is a fair price. I stick to that. If I do get a salesperson with an over inflated ego, I go to another dealer. If they really piss me off, I will come back to the same dealer a week or so later and buy the same car from a different sales person. Near the end of the deal I make sure the manager knows that I was there before but did not buy the car because of the sales person I had. That will make certain that the original sales person does not get a cut of the sale. Today, once a sales person gets your name it goes into thier computer. The dealer knows if you have talked to a different sales person. Some have policies of spliting the sales comission between sales people if you talked with another one a few days ago. Well, I have rambled long enough, I hope this helps some people. |
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Replying to: vagator (Jul 30, 2006 8:36 am)
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Replying to: caffeinated (Jul 30, 2006 9:16 am) Thanks for the lengthy write-up. Can you tell us which dealer you're talking about?? Are you implying they have brand new 2006 GTOs for $25k or less?? That would be a steal of a deal. Thanks again. Brian
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I walked into the dealer on Saturday, July 22nd and leased the only 2006 GTP convertible they had (black w/ black) including the premium package and remote start. I even got it at supplier pricing ($30,590) which is $1,500 under MSRP. I took it in this morning for 3 issues: a known radio issue where the xm1 and xm2 presets keep overwriting each other. They ordered a new radio. Some of the rubber molding has come loose and they fixed that. Also, I was hearing lots of cracking type noises from the seating area which they claim to have taken care of. I pick it up after I leave work. I haven't had any trouble with the top yet, other than some minor hesitation ocassionally. I have lowered it and raised it several times already without issue. |
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Replying to: joniv (Aug 01, 2006 1:59 pm) 
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Replying to: e2helper (Aug 01, 2006 2:32 pm) 
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Replying to: joniv (Aug 01, 2006 4:53 pm)  - That is the Service Information Document number.
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Replying to: vagator (Jul 30, 2006 8:36 am) 
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I have had my new 2007 G6 convertible for two weeks now. I like the remote start but I am not sure why they put a 2 start limit in between actually using the key to start the car. I found this out because I was showing the remote start feature to a friend and after two times it refused to start. I thought it was going to go back to the dealer but I read the manual and found the limitation. This is my first XM Satelite radio. very nice. I can't believe thouhg that in this high end stereo the CD player does not have MP3 capability. My friend bought a $17,000 Ford fusion and his 6 CD changer had MP3 capability. The roof is especially nice although a bit slow. It seems to take about 45 seconds and you have to keep the button pressed the whole time and it is above the windhield. I would suggest putting the button lower or making it truly one touch where you press it once and the roof opens completely. One odd problem that I had was I went to get into the car and it was completely dead. I opened the hood and was trying to get the plastic cover off of the battery compartment and I got frustrated and smacked the top of the cover and the car came to life with the alarm system blaring. Took it to the dealer and he said that the neg pole on the battery was stripped and he replaced it. |
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Purchased the 2007 G6 GT Convertible.. took possession at 11pm on a Thursday due to a late negotiations (dealer took forever to get paperwork going and then didn't disclose the financing arrangements until we were signing - BAD BAD, after we discussed what I was willing to work with). We had to re-work the numbers and the extended warranty was removed from the car sale to make the numbers work. Due to the service center being closed that night, they told me to come back the following day after work and have the car detailed. I drove back and the service center was closed - all gone for the day. ooook. Was told to come back the following day (saturday). I brought the car in Saturday, they had it for 1.5 hours to detail it. I had already taken all the stickers and protective strips off - it was unsightly to drive like that. I put the top up for them to clean the vehicle top to bottom. I picked up the car finally cleaned and 3 hours later when to put the top down and it wouldn't go down. It would only open the trunk. I drove it to the dealer on Monday and they indicated that there was a part (a clip?) on order for the vehicle. The order was placed 14 DAYS before I purchased the car. NO mention of that when I bought the car. Worse yet, the part is on backorder. No use of my top down features now until the part makes its way here. I've since noticed this past weekend (now 10 days into owning the vehicle) that the driver side door is not sitting flush with the body panel above the handle. Took the car to the dealer yet again and they agreed that it needed to be fixed, in the body shop. They asked to repair it when the car is in for repair on the top. My car has almost 1200 miles on it.. I drive 100 RT a day for work. I've had it for 12 days. My warranty will be up in less than 18 months. What else is going to go wrong with this vehicle? Pontiac is involved and the dealer has offered a mere pittance as compensation for this issue. The part for the top should be in sometime in Mid August. Happy for my XM radio(had it before in my Murano). Car hesitates when I'd expect it to get up and go. Leather, heated seats, nice. Remote start, nice. Problems with the car from the start? Not so Nice.
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