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Re: Kia Sportage 2001 - Transfer Case Exploding [lmp4]
by marika1
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Mar 14, 2008 (3:03 pm)
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Replying to: lmp4 (Mar 13, 2008 6:10 pm)
Well I had an "expert" do a report on my car. He took pictures, etc and stated that the damage was not as a result of the work that was done on my vehicle and that it was a failed U-joint which had apparently dried out and corroded and literally snapped. The "commercial" car centre I initially took my vehicle to in January 2008 told me they did a report card on my car and a U-joint was never mentioned to me as needing to be replaced. Would this be something that would have been apparent when working on my car in January. I'm told now that I need a new transfer case assembly and front drive shaft. Your comments are very much appreciated. Thanks so much
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Re: Kia Sportage 2001 - Transfer Case Exploding [marika1]
by lmp4
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Mar 14, 2008 (6:07 pm)
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Replying to: marika1 (Mar 14, 2008 3:03 pm)
it was a failed U-joint
..so, it was indeed possible the front driving shaft (between t-case and differential) got loose !
....obviously at the differential ! I can imagine the thump that followed and the result is consequential. But I have just changed a U-joint on that driving shaft 2 months ago, and cannot imagine it would "break" by itself, rust or anything else. ...it it broke, that means one part is still BOLTED to the differential.....is it? Hard to speculate from here, but I'd like to see the photos...
My U-joint had given sign of fatigue a L O N G time ago, vibrations and noise when in 4WD...and since it was used only for brief episodes, I would not care much but around last Christmas, it became really scary and the vibration was intolerable an potentially a risk for other components and with winter just beginning, then I changed it....all this just to signal it does not come "on a sudden".....Of course, when installing the driving shaft back on the car, I made sure all bolts were properly tightened.....
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Re: Kia Sportage 2001 - Transfer Case Exploding [lmp4]
by marika1
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Mar 17, 2008 (3:23 pm)
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Replying to: lmp4 (Mar 14, 2008 6:07 pm)
Thanks for your response. What I was wondering though, is the U-Joint something that would have been visible during the work they performed. Would they have had to see that this U-joint was corroded and ready to snap. Here is what they did do the car: Install left front axel, shalf, wheel bearings, wheel hubs, remove left front steering knuckle, replace needle bearing for input shaft, replace seals. replace left axel shaft, replace left innter and outer bearing, replace updated 4WD hub assemblies. They also told me that when I complete this work, the car would be fine for the next 10 years (which is apparently not the case). I have the photos on my computer but I am not sure how to add them to this reply. Do you have a separate email that I could email them to??">
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Re: Kia Sportage 2001 - Transfer Case Exploding [marika1]
by lmp4
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Mar 17, 2008 (6:13 pm)
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Replying to: marika1 (Mar 17, 2008 3:23 pm)
It is possible they did not peek to that area. What surprises me more is that you had no previous signs of that condition...unless you did not engage 4WD for years... e-mail photos at unami_1 hotmail.com
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Re: Kia Sportage 2001 - Transfer Case Exploding [marika1]
by steve_ HOST
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Mar 17, 2008 (7:52 pm)
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Replying to: marika1 (Mar 17, 2008 3:23 pm)
If you set up your CarSpace page, you can post the photos in an Album there. Then we can all look at them.
Click on the My CarSpace tab up top to get started. It's all free btw.
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Re: Kia Sportage 2001 - Transfer Case Exploding [lmp4]
by lmp4
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Mar 18, 2008 (2:05 am)
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Replying to: lmp4 (Mar 17, 2008 6:13 pm)
pictures:
pic1
pic2
pic3
pic4
...wow.. it did snap off with a bang....even the bracket was torn off the sub frame...
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Re: Kia Sportage 2001 - Transfer Case Exploding [marika1]
by lmp4
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Mar 18, 2008 (4:37 am)
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Replying to: marika1 (Mar 17, 2008 3:23 pm)
...but...I'm still curious about the other end of the driving shaft....the one that connects to the differential...did you take a photo of tht end..and differential ? Was one section of the driving shaft still attached to the differential ?..... I wonder if it is possible that the "snap" we see in the pictures occured rather as a consequence of another failure ...In fact, the extent of the damage would rather indicate the shaft first got loose from the differnetial end, fell down, planted in some road obstacle, then jacked the t-case up explaining the torn off frame bracket and the case extended upwards..then snapped as it went past 90° vertical
....where was the driving shaft after the car stopped ? ANd in how many pieces? It shows as assembled in this picture,..
.were the two parts put together after the fact....? May be I'm "paranoid"...but if all of it was found on the ground, in 1 or in 2 separate parts, it did separate from the differential first...
THis is just such an unusual event ......the few times I saw that..on other cars..it was because one end got loose for the bolts had fallen...I think is almost impossible it "snapped" like that just on engine torque...and anyway, just snapping at that end should not have caused much damage...
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Re: Kia Sportage 2001 - Transfer Case Exploding [marika1]
by lmp4
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Mar 18, 2008 (9:41 am)
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Replying to: marika1 (Mar 17, 2008 3:23 pm)
Dave Scott, who has access to my photo bank on another forum , without reading my comments, also said
".....it looks like the driveshaft got pushed back into the t-case"
confirming the interpretation that the shaft separated at the differential first....
I think the event is not a "freak"....
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Re: Kia Sportage 2001 - Transfer Case Exploding [lmp4]
by marika1
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Mar 18, 2008 (4:16 pm)
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Replying to: lmp4 (Mar 18, 2008 9:41 am)
Thanks so much for your input. So how should I handle this when I go to the car shop. What approach should I take. The car was used in 4WD in December before I took it into the shop in January and I did not have any problems with the 4WD. I took the car into the shop because of the noises it was making in the front wheel which resulted in all the work that was done. My belief is that since this was the first time the 4WD was used since picking up the car, it has to be related. Also, my Kia only has 105,000.00 kms. on it. Its my baby - any advise on how to approach the mechanics who worked on my car would be gratefully appreciated. I think you guys are awesome!!!
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Re: Kia Sportage 2001 - Transfer Case Exploding [marika1]
by lmp4
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Mar 18, 2008 (4:42 pm)
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Replying to: marika1 (Mar 18, 2008 4:16 pm)
My view.comes from too far away , but some independant knowledgeable person would confirm the facts ..: some negligence is involved in the condition of the driving shaft after the $1700 repair. THe shaft just cannot just have snapped from the T-case end AND cause that damage: if it had snapped like that, it would have fallen to the ground, trailing, would have been out of the way and then unable to cause that damage. It did separate from the other end.
If you intent to ask for some compenstion for this damage that should not have occured after a $1700 repair, you must be able to answer to these questions:
- was the whole driving shaft on the ground after the "incident" ? (I'm quite sure it was, but you have to remember it as a fact you verified yourself or somone else can testify)
-had the driving shaft been removed from the differential to perform the repairs in the front ? (implying it can have been installed back with bolts improperly tightened)
Can you take a picture of the OTHER end of the driving shaft and the differential flange that normally connects to the driving shaft ?
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