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2007 GTI vs Audi A3

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Re: Turbo vs. Normally-aspirated...this decision is killing me! [bluejays] by kurtamaxxxguy
Jan 05, 2007 (1:23 pm)
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Replying to: bluejays (Jan 01, 2007 7:27 pm)

Well, everything I have read and from what friends with turbos tell me says turbos need a lot of care and feeding, even today. If you want to drive hard, it makes careful turbo care more important.
The V6, assuming it gets regular oil changes, etc., won't have that headache.
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Re: Turbo vs. Normally-aspirated...this decision is killing me! [kurtamaxxxguy] by bluejays
Jan 05, 2007 (10:55 pm)
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Replying to: kurtamaxxxguy (Jan 05, 2007 1:23 pm)

Hi kurtamaxxguy-
 
I guess the other thing that one would need to keep in mind if selecting the turbocharged powerplant is the correct shutdown procedure. The way I understand it is one parks, takes it out of gear, and then turns the key to allow the "accessories" to operate for thirty seconds. That apparently allows the turbo to spool-down correctly or something. You've made some interesting points.
 
~ Blue Jays ~
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Re: Turbo vs. Normally-aspirated...this decision is killing me! [bluejays] by geoffdgti
Jan 06, 2007 (6:06 am)
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Replying to: bluejays (Jan 05, 2007 10:55 pm)

The key thing with a turbo is to not let the car sit for days at a time. If you drive the car every day and get it fully warmed up, the turbo should last forever. I eat turbos in my boat because it doesn't run every day. If the car sits for days in moisture and doesn't get fully warmed up, you risk having problems.
 
I have 125,000 miles on a 2001 GTI 1.8T that gets driven 80 miles every day with 55 of that at ~ 80 mph. The thing that fails is the plumbing (sensors, diverter valve, engine wiring harness), not the engine or turbo. With regularly scheduled oil changes and synthetic oil, I see no signs that my drive train won't go 200K+ miles. Other than rear brakes and front wheel bearings, I'm still on original everything.
 
In normal driving, you really don't need to worry about idling the engine before turning it off to keep oil flow going to the turbo as it cools down.
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Re: Turbo vs. Normally-aspirated...this decision is killing me! [geoffdgti] by jccai1
Jan 22, 2007 (11:07 am)
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Replying to: geoffdgti (Jan 06, 2007 6:06 am)

I have a late model Volvo with the 2.5l turbo engine. The manual suggests a cool down period only after a long, high speed drive, just to keep oil flowing. I try to follow that as much as I can. But after most short trips on local streets, I shut off the engine as soon as I park. Sometimes the cooling fan stays on for a couple of minutes after I shut off the engine, presumably to let the turbo cool down. Unless you take the car to the track all the time, I don't think modern turbo reliability is an issue.
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Re: Turbo vs. Normally-aspirated...this decision is killing me! [jccai1] by trehn
Jan 24, 2007 (6:53 pm)
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Replying to: jccai1 (Jan 22, 2007 11:07 am)

Don't forget the fact that modern turbo engines (like with VW/Audi) can have programmable wastegates that allow for easy manipulation of turbo output with a simple chip upgrade for $500-600.
 
Increase in turbo boost along with engines remapping will give substantially more torque than the V6. That turbo rush will win you over (280-300 ft-lb....Yeah Baby!!)
 
If you are worried about turbo cool down, you can always buy programmable timers to keep engine running for couple of minutes. Otherwise just use the best oil.
 
And when your turbo does eventaully burn out, you'll have the opportunity to replace it with a better one...Yeah Baby!!
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Re: Turbo vs. Normally-aspirated...this decision is killing me! [trehn] by wolfsport
Jan 29, 2007 (5:23 pm)
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Replying to: trehn (Jan 24, 2007 6:53 pm)

I have over 62 thousand miles (and 25 yrs.) on my big old turbo.
I always idle it for at least 2-3 minutes.
If I want to do something else while it's cooling down, I just lock it up with a 2nd key while it's idling.
And yes, like trehn says, when the turbo finally goes out, I'll replace it with a better one.
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Re: A3 vs GTI practicality [jdalton] by ritlin
Mar 03, 2007 (1:33 pm)
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Replying to: jdalton (Sep 01, 2006 9:29 am)

I own the A3, and when I bought it I didn't know the GTI would be stateside in the 4dr. Regardless, I like the looks of the A3 better, much better than the GTI's, but the features on the GTI make me a little jealous, as I have no sunroof or HID headlights.
 
  I bought mine as a demo for around $25k with the DSG and sport package('06). It had about 5k miles on it. I paid another $1700 for the Audi certification and am glad I did it now, as I have had a few small, quite odd problems with it. They do offer loaner cars, but the place in Dallas that I am dealing with is really rude!!! and hard to deal with!!! I also got a lower interest rate for keeping it certified.
 
  Anyway, I read about the mazdaspeed3, but didn't want to wait for it. Plus getting about the same price for mine as I would have, no doubt, paid for a rare mazda product, I decided to go with the Audi. It is also projected to get better gas milage than the mazdaspeed.
 
  I have also test driven the mazda 3 HB, and reading that it was somewhat comparible with the audi, even considered trading in the audi for it. THERE IS NO WAY THESE TWO CARS CAN BE EVEN SPOKEN ABOUT IN THE SAME SENTENCE! That is not to say that the speed3 wouldn't compare, but I think I am just a little spoiled to the audi overall german build and feel.
 
  I guess I would say, save for the problems with the dealership, I am very pleased with my Audi, and don't find(for the first time) any other car I would rather have. Plus, if the extra 50 or so hp is an issue with would be mazdaspeed3 drivers over the audi, one could spend an extra $600 and get a chip alone that would get you to that mark, and get you to 0-60 times in under 6 seconds!
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Re: Another difference [abergdc] by andres3
Mar 08, 2007 (11:41 am)
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Replying to: abergdc (Dec 20, 2006 6:55 pm)

They are not nearly the same car. The Audi suspension is more finely tuned and the interior quality is in another league. And in 2006 you still had free maintenance. That's been dropped, but recent reliability studies show Audi doing well and VW doing terribly.
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Re: Another difference [andres3] by eldaino
Mar 09, 2007 (10:46 am)
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Replying to: andres3 (Mar 08, 2007 11:41 am)

actually i heard it the other way around as far as reliability goes; but it should be a moot point since the audi a3 is practiacally a gti anyway.
 
Interior worlds apart? Isn't the a3 only available with a leather wrapped steering wheel when you get a certian package? It may be a little tiny bit nicer, but not by a whole heck of a lot, at least not to make the quality of the interior the decisive factor when trying to decide between the two!
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Re: Another difference [eldaino] by andres3
Mar 09, 2007 (11:34 am)
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Replying to: eldaino (Mar 09, 2007 10:46 am)

The quality of the interior was one of my definite deciding factors between the A3 and GTI. The others were:
1. Reliability - built in different factories under differing quality standards; CR's results show the results!
2. 2006 free maintenance for 4 years/50K.
3. Interior is maybe not a world apart, but definitely a noticeable level apart. For example, look at the cargo lid, and the cargo carpeting material. Look at the dash; look at the real aluminum vents in the A3.
4. Either premium or sport package gives you a very nice leather wrapped steering wheel.
5. VW dealerships have a bad reputation for service.
6. Audi dealerships give you a free loaner/rental for warranty or service work.
7. Certain people on Edmunds noticed and posted that the A3 handled much better than the too high off the ground GTI. The GTI sold here apparently is more lifted than the one in Europe.

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