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2007 GTI vs Audi A3

99 messages,  Last post on Jul 16, 2007 at 8:37 AM

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Re: MY FIRST YEAR ACCORD [jitteryjoe_246] by mapssi
Jun 05, 2007 (4:19 am)
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Replying to: jitteryjoe_246 (Apr 02, 2007 4:37 am)

Japanese cars are reliable. However, they don't come even close to be as solid and pure driving pleasure (the feeling that your planted on the road!) as any of the Europian cars. Besides, why the Japanese can copy many things from European cars they can can copy the solidity and the quality of Europian cars. I had more then 27 cars(Europian,Japanese and even Korean) in the last 20 years so I know a few things
 
My latest MKV GTI so far so good. I let you know in a few months...
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Re: MY FIRST YEAR ACCORD [mapssi] by eldaino
Jun 05, 2007 (9:30 am)
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Replying to: mapssi (Jun 05, 2007 4:19 am)

hey man i appreciate the planted on the road feeling as much as anyone...but its called weight. Not really an engineering marvel. If they wanted to make them more european, they just need to make them heavier.
 
I like hondas an vw's equally, but for different reasons. Yes people, its ok to do that.
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Throwing the weight around... by wolfsport
Jun 06, 2007 (1:07 pm)
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Replying to: eldaino (Jun 05, 2007 9:30 am)

Most tests do show the slightly heavier A3 handles marginally better than a standard Mk5 GTI, but only when equipped w/ the Sport Suspension.
  
My Mazda 3 doesn't corner any better than my much lighter Mk2 VW GTI did.
In fact my GTI developed some major torque-steering, while the Mazda 3 simply looses a bit of traction when applying a heavy foot around the corners.
 
What does all of this mean?
You generally need an upgraded suspension to effectively throw more weight around.
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Re: MY FIRST YEAR ACCORD [eldaino] by mapssi
Jun 07, 2007 (5:39 am)
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Replying to: eldaino (Jun 05, 2007 9:30 am)

Is not just weight (even thought that helps and sometimes does not!)is the way they engineer things. For example MB created the first 4 wheel independent suspension on the 190E (now C class) and so many other inventions too long to list here. Innovations come from Europeans! Japanese, Americans, and others re-engineer (in other words try to make it better and most times they fail). Not to say that they don't come up with good things, they do too sometimes...
 
By they way my 2003 accord ex that I kept for 2.5 years and put 54000+ on it, did not gave me any problems other then a wear check engine light that was chocking the car. When we reset the light the problem disappear! and it was solid but not as Europian car.
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Re: MY FIRST YEAR ACCORD [mapssi] by eldaino
Jun 07, 2007 (9:23 am)
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Replying to: mapssi (Jun 07, 2007 5:39 am)

in other words try to make it better and most times they fail).
 
maybe american companies do, but no so much the japs and honda in particular.
 
having said that, i still appreciate alot of the little details vw comes up with.
#95 of 99
The A3 rocks! by andres3
Jul 06, 2007 (2:07 pm)
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and the GTI is a good budget value version of it.
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Lease rates make the choice for me by joshknot
Jul 13, 2007 (11:56 am)
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I'm in the camp that generally prefers the styling of the A3 to the GTI, and I'm fairly comfortable admitting that that would be the primary reason I'd go Audi over VW.
 
That said, I targeted the A3 as a car of interest since it came out, but have not been able to justify the vehicle due to ridiculously poor lease rates. As Audi refuses to support the vehicle with proper lease incentives, quotes for a moderately equipped 2.0T on a 24-month lease topped $600/mo.
 
Last time I was car shopping I was disappointed by this fact and wound up going for an Infiniti G35 coupe- $525/mo for a $41k car versus $610/mo for a $35k car just seemed too logical to ignore. Now I'm shopping again and I'm really sad to see that things haven't changed.
 
To that extent, I'm thinking the 4-door GTI might be a logical runner up. Sure, I'm not a huge fan of the styling, but it's got all the things I need (including a good dose of practicality versus my coupe), and lease rates are considerably more favorable.
 
I don't think I'm the only one that's been put off by Audi's poor lease programs; I for one believe the A3 would've been a much more successful car if they could have provided better residual values and incentives.
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Re: Lease rates make the choice for me [joshknot] by blueguydotcom
Jul 13, 2007 (12:53 pm)
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Replying to: joshknot (Jul 13, 2007 11:56 am)

Josh, maybe you should consider a used A3. 2006 and 2007 models can be found for about 65-70% of MSRP now.
 
The A3 is a more upscale looking car, no doubt but as you pointed out, the leasing isn't supported.
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Re: Lease rates make the choice for me [blueguydotcom] by joshknot
Jul 14, 2007 (11:55 am)
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (Jul 13, 2007 12:53 pm)

That's a very good point, blueguy- I've definitely been looking. Trouble is that I've gotten really happy with the worry-free life of leasing. I'm a serial car-driver, in that I tend to get ready for something different within a year or two no matter what I'm driving (case and point, the g35 coupe I have now is an absolutely wonderful car that's given me no trouble whatsoever and goes like stink, but I just want a change). I'm put off of buying a used car because a) I'll have to deal with selling it sooner than most people would, likely and b) having 100% warranty coverage has been great- I've enjoyed my car without the fear that something expensive *could* go wrong.
 
Still, I'm definitely looking at used A3's- seems that the poor residual value that hurts the leasing program has a positive effect on anyone looking to buy used.
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Re: Lease rates make the choice for me [joshknot] by blueguydotcom
Jul 16, 2007 (8:37 am)
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Replying to: joshknot (Jul 14, 2007 11:55 am)

Look at it this way...
 
Say the car loses another 50% over the course of 3 years, that would mean you'd be out 11-12k (value of 11k) and that's an absolutely horrid worst case scenario. More than likely, the A3 will lose at most 50% of its value over 4 years so if you bought at 22k, you'd probably only spend 7-8k over 3 years on the car (resale value of maybe 14k).
 
I've hooked some sweet leases in my life but i've yet to find a 3 year lease on an audi/bmw/infiniti level product for 10-11k total.

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