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GS450h Ride Quality by gelam007
Jul 29, 2006 (8:51 pm)
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All,,
 
I have a 450 h I purchased 9 days ago. For the most part, I love the car. However, I feel the ride quality is quite harsh at tomes over bumps. There have been times while driving where I found the noise and impact of the bumps quite intrusive and startling. I have heard this is in part to having the run-flat tires on the car, which have an extremely thick and hard sidewalll...thus the jolt I feel at times. Does anyone else share this same thought as I do? Has anyone tried changing to tires without run-flat technology? I heard that might help soften the ride.
 
Thanks for your input.
 
Greg
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Re: GS450h Ride Quality [gelam007] by idele
Jul 30, 2006 (12:22 pm)
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Replying to: gelam007 (Jul 29, 2006 8:51 pm)

I have a little over 1500 miles on my GS450h. They came with run flat tires and I was concerned at purchase time. The tires run somewhat noisier and the ride is more like a sports car but the advantages I found after driving with them I like them. The thicker sidewalls help in sharp braking by keeping the car completely in alignment. The fast cornering with no squeal is excellent. This substantially enhanced performance has made me a convert. I did not buy the donut spare and now not only would I not want one but I would like to see the trunk space it takes up eliminated. I believe that the battery pack can be fitted in that space and the trunk restored to full size. However if you desire a soft ride a change of tires is needed. The double wishbone front and multilink rear suspensions are excellent as are the various stability systems.
The GS450h is a drive-by-wire vehicle. It is to me the automotive analogue of piloting a jet fighter, which is impossible without the sensors and instantaneous control. The vehicle is definitely not for those who want the roar of the engine, the resistance of the steering ,etc. On the other hand the seamless rapid acceleration, the quiet to enjoy the music, the stability provided by the fifty-fifty front-rear balance and very low center of gravity are unmatched.
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Re: GS450h Ride Quality [idele] by idele
Jul 30, 2006 (2:28 pm)
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Replying to: idele (Jul 30, 2006 12:22 pm)

Let me repair the awkward phrasing
line 1 should be "IT came"
line 2 should be "but WITH the"
line 6 should be "it takes up UTILIZED AS FOLLWS:
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Re: GS450h Ride Quality [idele] by flid
Jul 30, 2006 (7:21 pm)
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Replying to: idele (Jul 30, 2006 2:28 pm)

Thanks so much for your report regarding the experience of owning and driving this vehicle. I expect delivery of my black on black within the next 10 days, but will not see and drive the car until mid-September when I return from my summer home. I truly look forward to driving this car...
 
I am most impressed with your editing of the prior transmittal. The edits are precise and appropriate.
 
Thanks and best regards.
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Re: GS450h Ride Quality [flid] by idele
Jul 31, 2006 (5:23 am)
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Replying to: flid (Jul 30, 2006 7:21 pm)

Thanks. My car is black on black, too. The tires, by the way, are Bridgestone Turanzas EL42 RFT all season run-flats. The only other car on which these tires are used, to my knowledge, is the new BMW 3 series (different tire size).
One spectacular feature of the GS hybrid is the replacement of the tachometer by a power meter giving the output in kilowatts. Since 1 kw equal 1.3410 hp, one sees the horsepower being used since it is a constant multiple of kw reading. The navigation screen gives you the average fuel consunption until reset. Since I've never reset it, the average full consumption currently stands at 27.6 mpg. There is also a separate readout on the dash for the average fuel consumption per tank, which resets when the tank is filled up. All this instrumentation teaches you how to drive sensibly.
    The hybrid powerplant completely lives up to my expectations when I placed an order last October. My posts on this are back at the beginning of this subforum. I hope to post on the powerplant soon.
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Re: GS450h Ride Quality [idele] by bmwconvert
Jul 31, 2006 (10:00 am)
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Replying to: idele (Jul 31, 2006 5:23 am)

I share the original poster's feelings about the harsh ride, even when the suspension is on the Normal setting. I tried Sport once, but it only made things worse. Agreed it's the tires and is the cost for the high performance handling, but other sport sedans get comparable results with a better balance to ride quality. It feels great on smooth roads, but unfortunately I live in the NYC area, where most of the roads are in lousy condition. I may put on snow tires in the winter (I've heard that run flat/high performance tires do not perform well on snow & ice), which will let me see what the ride is like on a more typical sidewall.
 
With regard to idele's comments, I like the power meter, particularly when you can roughly monitor when braking switches from regenerative to the brake pads, but I don't fully understand it. There are times when the meter reads, for example, "50", but the Energy Monitor does not show the electric motor as driving the wheels. So where's that power going? To the air conditioner or something?
 
Finally, idele, you must live in a very flat area and drive with a feather right foot. I haven't come close to that kind of mpg. My best stretch was 27.0, and that was purely highway driving. My best tank average is only 24.6mpg, and I'm reasonably conscious of efficient driving style.
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Re: GS450h Ride Quality [bmwconvert] by idele
Jul 31, 2006 (11:04 am)
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Replying to: bmwconvert (Jul 31, 2006 10:00 am)

I live in an area of rolling hills. I do zoom at times; it sometimes helps mileage. Experience with hybrids helps. I learned a lot with my prior RX400h which when I traded it had gotten up to a long term average mileage of 27.3. So I'm doing better with this car which I expected because of the truly excellent powerplant. When I read the press release of the GS450h for the 2005 Tokyo Motor Show,(Toyota/Lexus press releases from Japan are completely credible), from my experience with the RX400h, I realized the transmission would make a difference and ordered the GS450h last October. I was correct in my surmise.
As far as the tires are concerned the RX400h on regular tires rides better. The ride is as good as the 2001 Audi A64.2, which is a sports sedan, but not as good as the 2003 Audi Allroad 2.7T that I previously owned. The latter had a very good air suspension. The overall quality of the Audis was poor and I would not in the future purchase one.
For your other comments, I'll try to get around to them when I have time to post on the powerplant.
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Re: GS450h Ride Quality [bmwconvert] by 2001gs430
Aug 01, 2006 (7:34 am)
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Replying to: bmwconvert (Jul 31, 2006 10:00 am)

My best stretch was 27.0, and that was purely highway driving. My best tank average is only 24.6mpg, and I'm reasonably conscious of efficient driving style
 
My car is averaging around 16-18 mpg per tank with reasonably careful, in mostly city, driving. It has pretty much the same engine in the current GS430.
Your reported mileages represent a 50% improvement with more power to boot. I would not complaint/worry about these numbers
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Re: GS450h Ride Quality [2001gs430] by idele
Aug 01, 2006 (9:32 am)
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Aug 01, 2006 7:34 am)

We are having a very long-lasting heat wave and the air conditioning generally runs full blast. My average gas mileage since purchase remains at 27.6 but my tank mileage is averaging a bit lower. I filled up today going 196.8 miles on 7.152 gallons or 27.5167 mpg which given the inaccuracies of fillups verifies the instrument readings.I regard the fuel efficiency of the GS450h as a bonus because of all the performance virtues of the GS450h. As I mentioned I like the run-flat tires for their performance despite the added harshness. It will be interesting to see what the LS600h will use for tires. It apparently will have, at least as an option, air suspension and that from my experience with the Audi Allroad is the best yet.
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Re: GS450h Ride Quality [2001gs430] by bmwconvert
Aug 01, 2006 (11:09 am)
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Aug 01, 2006 7:34 am)

Fair point. My point of comparison had been to my previous car, a BMW 530i, which got terrific mpg -- about 28-30mpg on the highway, but with nothing close to the performance of the 450h.
 
I do hope there is truth to something I read some months ago saying that the next generation hybrids will have a performance/economy switch for the powerplant, similar to the suspension options available. It would be great to have the option to save gas when you don't care about getting to 60mph in less than 6 seconds. Has anyone heard about this? I believe I read it in a Wired magazine article about hybrid race cars.

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