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Replying to: backy (May 28, 2005 7:28 pm) HOWEVER, check out the May 2005 HAH review of Consumers Report (pages 46-47) The consumers report testing clearly stated 18 city/37 highway, 25 mpg overall . Thats significantly less than the Honda numbers. In fact, the Honda lowest number (assuming all city driving) 29mpg is higner by 25% than the consumers OVERALL.
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Replying to: newhahowner (May 29, 2005 11:36 am) Those are not "Honda numbers". They are EPA mpg numbers, the only ones that automobile manufacturers are permitted to place on their window stickers. The domestic manufacturers have, for many years, resisted efforts to have the EPA testing regimen brought up to date. The EPA has been denied the funding that would have been required for the changes. The only way for window sticker numbers to reflect reality, will be when vehicles under test will be driven on actual roads or tracks at realistic speeds and operating temperatures, instead of indoors on dynamometers. |
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Replying to: newhahowner (May 29, 2005 11:36 am) Maybe some of the other HAH owners like viet will share their tips for getting higher than 23-25 mpg. Looking at the tactics used by the HAH owners who have reported fuel economy at www.greenhybrid.com may also be helpful.
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Replying to: backy (May 29, 2005 2:53 pm) This is what I'm upset about: My decision to purchase a HAH was strictly a financial one. In an article in Forbes.com (March 14,. 2005) entitled 2005 HONDA ACCORD HYBRID, the author adresses the question: Is it worth it financially to pay the extra 3,290 for the HAH as compared to V-6 EX which is fully loaded and "comes with the same toys you find on the HAH." He used 34 mpg for the HAH in his computations, and said that you would break even at 100,000 miles(about 3.3 years for me)This article was deceptive in the fact that he failed to mention that these are "EPA" numbers, and are not very realistic, but I believed him.Now I'm finding out the baseline no. for the HOA is more like 25mpg.Thats what most messages on this site indicate.( Incidentally the article was given to me by a Honda salesman,) The 0-60 on the EX is quite fine with me, but I spent $3290 more than I needed to. Thats what I'm upset about.
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Replying to: backy (May 29, 2005 2:53 pm) Honda Inc. wins loyal customers by its sophisticated, advanced and "accurate" engineering. I have been driving Honda bikes and autos for over 40 years and still love Honda. I am currently having 4 Accords at home including a 2005 HAH. I do get 29 - 37 MPG, sometimes more, on my HAH. One of my Accord LX 92 that I gave to my relative still runs now at over 260K miles. This LX 92 was made in Japan like the HAH. The MPG depends on your driving style and several other factors. If you often drive over 70, 80 MPH or more you will have to sacrifice your MPG a little bit for your "power pleasure" with great torque and terrific speed. My young son's MPG on my HAH is always much less than my MPG because he is only 16 years old but he has a "61 tons" (transposed) right foot on the gas pedal. Sometimes, I let him drive it. I calculate the MPG on every single gas tank when I fill it up. For all my Honda in the last 20 years I always have achieved a few miles more than the EPA ratings icluding the Accord 95 at 200K miles when I replaced the engine and the transmission. Its MPG was so accurate. It was equal or more than the EPA ratings until its last day when the engine was retired and buried with sorrow and my great appreciating and admiring farewell because it was so smooth until the last second of its life. No complaints whatsoever unless I did understand that it had to go soon to shake hand with the Director of Tobia Funeral Services when it was almost 11 years old and it burned 1 quart of oil for every 600 miles. The old engine was replaced by a newer engine and a newer transmission. Now it runs again, so smooothly. It obviously saves me some big bucks. Its exterior paint is fading outside like a Texan cowboy in his uniform but inside its tires, brakes, shocks...are new to trick the car thieves. I let my wife drives that "little oldest turkey" as a disciplinary action to a person who is not knowledgeable about cars but so lazy to learn it and does not appreciate the Accord power. One of the 2 original brake lamps was just burned out after 11 years. Muffler, starter are still original and working great. In a year or so when my second son enters college I will have to give up my current HAH to him as promised and I will buy another HAH without hesitation unless Honda invents a better sedan model. Honda has never betrayed me. Trust me, NewHAHOwner. I work with numbers every day. I love to "numerically calculate" every nano-second so Honda cannot fool me if they tries to "blow a big trumpet with its bogus MPG on the HAH". To sum it up: I love everything be quantified. The real life MPG on my HAH matches with the EPA numbers. Of course, I usually get a little more with my little wiser "driving tricks". |
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Replying to: newhahowner (May 29, 2005 4:38 pm) Here is (I think) the Forbes article in question: http://www.forbes.com/vehicles/2005/03/14/cx_mf_0314test.html I read it and I noticed that the writer didn't actually say that YOU would get 34 mpg on the HAH. He did use 34 mpg in a hypothetical calculation, though: Does it make sense to buy the more expensive Honda If you average about 34 mpg for the Hybrid and 24 mpg for the EX (remember, EPA mileage numbers always ratchet higher than real-world driving will get you)? [bold added by me] and Bottom line: You'll likely make more on your $3,000 by investing it in Honda's (nyse: HMC - news - people ) stock than you will in the company's Hybrid. Then again, if that's the type of person you are, you wouldn't want this car in the first place--you'd want the more frugal and sensible $21,000 Prius. At any rate, you own the car now for better or worse. If you intend to keep it, there are techniques for maximizing fuel economy. Maybe viet will elaborate more on what he does. I know one sure-fire way to improve fuel economy (which viet has said he uses, and I do it too) is to pretend there is a raw egg between your foot and the accelerator. Sounds dumb, but it works. I do that and easily get 20-25% better fuel economy than my wife does. Another trick especially for the HAH is to keep the ECO light on as much as possible. Keep in mind that coasting is doubly helpful on the HAH, because of the regenerative braking; coasting builds up energy in the battery. If you aren't already doing these things, try them out this week and tell us if there is any difference. |
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Replying to: backy (May 29, 2005 6:36 pm) I like to repeat what Backy has said: - Pretend there are some eggs under your right foot while you drive your HAH. It is not silly at all. That is the realistic trick to save you gas while it is so expensive now. - Try to have the ECO light ON as much as you can. I like to add some more: - Try to keep the speed constantly, no abrupt acceleration, no abrupt braking, etc. Only old guys who have to foot the fuel bills in the family will be frugal and try all means to keep the fuel expenditure down at no avail because their kids act with their own minds while they drive and keep their old poor fathers' credit cards in their wallets which bear their names, of course. - When your car is old try to keep it in good operating conditions by tuning it up periodically. Keep your eyes on tires pressure. Do not carry to much heavy stuff in your car if you do not need to. - Keep the HAH's gas pedal firm at stop lights. Do not let the engine ON and OFF, OFF and ON unnecessarily if you do not need to move your car forward and continue your trip. In fact, if the engine ON and OFF, OFF and ON, etc. it will not be a big deal to worry about. Just drive casually and relax. The AUTO STOP saves gas for you at stop lights. And the ECO light ON at 40 MPH or higher even during city trips means saving you gas. - Plan your trips ahead and avoid peak time traffic. - On long high way trips the HAH strongly demonstrates it is a real "high way monster" with 3 engines shutting down and save you gas tremendously. Some guys got 41.2 MPG on highway trips. - FYI, I do not mean to downgrade the Toyota Prius but there were some recent reports that some Prius just quit working on highway. We are going back to the basic old principle:" KISS Keep It Simple Stupids". - I have entrusted my "driving stamina" to Honda engineers and I have not worried a single bit because even if the IMA fails the HAH still runs with its fuel engine at full 240HP. That is more than enough for me. - Looking at the engines of the 7th-generation Accords and the HAH makes me satisfied so much. It is the result of professional dedication, true intelligence and superb innovation spirit of Honda engineers. - Last word: The HAH is for old conservative guys/ gals but also for speed and torque thirsty drivers. Sometimes, when I am in a hurry or so tight with my schedules I press the gas pedal real deep and my HAH's torque does make my smile very satisfactorily when it gives me the feeling that it "flies" on the road effortlessly. - The bottom line is when you need the power to accelerate your car and drive real fast it is right there under your foot.
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Replying to: viet (May 29, 2005 8:46 pm) > some recent reports that some Prius just quit working on > highway. We are going back to the basic old principle:" KISS > Keep It Simple Stupids". In other words, when an automaker issues a TSB, make sure to actually have it done to your vehicle. No Toyota Prius with the TSBs (there were two) applied have ever reported that problem afterward. By the way, the "quit working" is incorrect. It was actually "lost power", which meant you could still drive but the car slowed down. The steering & brakes continued to work just fine. JOHN
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Replying to: newhahowner (May 29, 2005 4:38 pm) You spent a lot more than $3,290 "too much" since you likely could have gotten a DEEP discount on a non hybrid Accord (and likely didn't get much of a discount on the hybrid) and you could have gotten similar real world mileage and saved a lot more if you had purchased the I4 Accord instead. Not nearly the performance, but not much worse real-world fuel numbers for a LOT less money. If you had checked in here first, folks could have educated you up. The hybrid would be MY Accord choice - decent mileage coupled with the best sedan Accord performance. That does not mean it is the right one for everyone, and last time I ran the numbers the break even point is WAY past 100k. Dennis
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Replying to: john1701a (May 30, 2005 6:59 am) John, did you review the Prius Software Forum? The cars actually died completely; their electrical systems cut out, and the steering is electrical. Also, can you confirm that none of the reported errors either failed to add the TSB, or that none were in the lot that was not affected by the TSB? I haven't found any such information yet. It would comfort a lot of people if we could get those URLs posted here... |
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