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Sedans Infiniti G35 Acura TSX vs. Infiniti G35
194 messages, Last post on Jul 24, 2009 at 7:54 AM
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 22, 2009 4:30 pm) I agree that the G looks a little plain, but is that really bad? It's hard to read any article, forum, etc. about the TL without many, many complaints about the ugly front end. The TSX's front end has a similar, if toned-down, appearance. Like the dash appearances this is subjective, maybe Acura's styling works for you. I sure have read a lot of complaints about it though and perhaps the plain styling of the Infiniti is not all that bad. The Acura's styling actually is starting to grow on me a little, but I still hesitate to spend 35 grand on a car and have family and friends tell me it's ugly. The G's throttle does take some getting used to, but after 2 or 3 weeks it was no longer a major issue. I think you hit the nail on the head about it being a jack of all trades and master of none, but again this may be looked at as a good thing. Sure the Evo will outperform it, ever sat in one? It has about as much luxury as a Chevy Chevette. The Genesis is a nice car for sure, but the G will out-accelerate it (even the V8 version by a small margin) and out-corner it. The G is a car that will run neck-and-neck with a Mustang GT and offer a fair amount of luxury for mid-30's in price. There just aren't too many other cars out there that can say that.
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Replying to: drwilsc (Jun 22, 2009 5:38 pm) The old car was simple and elegant, while the new one is needlessly fussy and overstyled (yes, especially the beak). Here is the 2004 TSX which I still consider a benchmark for the class in interior ergonomics, comfort, design, and quality ...  You're right about the excellent qualities of the G and the niche it fills very well between sport and luxury. Truth be told, I've been playing a little Devil's advocate here simply because I don't understand all narrow-minded opinions of the juvenile 0-60 fanboys that worship it. It's really a very poor choice for someone who's looking for a "fast car." It's quick, but it's not fast.
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 22, 2009 11:58 am) Have you had a chance to drive "terrific car?" What's about torque steer and FWD? Why 5 speed auto?
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 22, 2009 7:33 pm) Glad you came out of the closet on this one, LOL. You seem to be getting your tongue twisted though, on one hand you say the G is a jack of all trades and in the same breath you state some buy the G cos of the 0-60 times only, which is it? and "You're right about the excellent qualities of the G and the niche it fills very well between sport and luxury" that is exactly why we chose it, the 0-60 times is just a bonus:) Oh and on a different note, I used to take the 328i for granted but when you realize that with only 230HP, the car will take on the TSX V6, Cadillac CTS, C350, TL with 305HP, I realized why CD makes a big deal of this car. I have to take my hat off to the engineering that went behind the smooth inline 6 in that car. But for the same price, I am very happy with the "jack of all trades".
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 22, 2009 7:33 pm) I, too, am playing devil's advocate. One reason for my original post (#130) was I was looking for someone to tell me why I should get a TSX V6. (another reason was simply to 'wake up' the forum, since it may make for interesting discussion). My lease on my 08 G35 is over in Sept. 2011. That may be bad timing with regard to catching the G at the tail end of its generation cycle, so I would like to be thinking about other choices. I actually think the TSX V6 is a very interesting car. The point about the G's engine being less than refined at high revs is so true, unfortunately. I noticed it immediately the first time I test drove it. It sounded more course than the engine in my previous car, a 2007 Saturn Aura XR. (hey, don't laugh, the General's 3.6 L engine is actually smoother than you might think). |
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Replying to: ingvar (Jun 23, 2009 4:14 am) Yes, I have. I owned a 2004 TSX 6MT. I have also driven a 2009 TSX 6MT and liked it, though not as much as the old one. FWD is a downside, no doubt about it, but for 90% of drivers buying in this segment, I don't think it matters much (I don't think most drivers can tell the difference). Besides, all new cars, whether Acura, Audi, BMW, or Porsche, are set up to push at the limit. To dial understeer out of any new car, you must spend money in the aftermarket. As for torque steer, a well engineered FWD car - especially one with only 200hp, will not have a problem with it. Nobody who has driven the V6 TSX has mentioned torque steer, so I'll assume for now it's a non-issue. 5 speed. 7-speed, DSC, LMNOP - if it has a slushbox, it's just another Buick as far as I'm concerned. |
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Replying to: sjaieve (Jun 23, 2009 1:20 pm) It seems to me that an inordinate number of G owners think their car is the shiznit. I can't begin to count the number of G's that have pulled up next to me at a light and wanted to race me. It's a Jack-of-all-trades in that it does many things well (accelerate, corner, ride, features, etc.), but it isn't the best at anything. In it's class, it's not the fastest, it's not the best handling, it's not the most luxurious or refined, and it's not the prettiest. "I used to take the 328i for granted but when you realize that with only 230HP, the car will take on the TSX V6, Cadillac CTS, C350, TL with 305HP." You are overlooking the real reasons why the 328i can keep up with those other, more powerful cars. It's not the I-6 (which I agree is a fine motor). It's weight (sprung and unsprung), gearing, driveline loss, and torque converters all conspiring to rob these cars of acceleration (and handling). The 305 HP Acura TL-S isn't as quick as the G37 because it has a slushbox and weighs 300 lbs. more. The TSX V6 isn't quicker because of the slushbox and FWD drivetrain (weight transfer at launch lifts the front wheels and limits traction). Again, you should be happy with your G, it's a nice car - if you prefer crude drivetrains, cheap materials, numb steering, and vague clutch/throttle response... 
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Replying to: drwilsc (Jun 23, 2009 2:55 pm)  "One reason for my original post (#130) was I was looking for someone to tell me why I should get a TSX V6." I won't be the one to tell you that. If Buick were to build a small, sporty sedan, it would be the V6 TSX. "my previous car, a 2007 Saturn Aura XR. (hey, don't laugh...)" I'm not laughing. I think the Aura is actually a pretty nice car (and a good effort from GM). The 3.6L is an outstanding motor, and I like the brown leather interior and cockpit design/layout (nicer than the G  ).
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 23, 2009 4:48 pm) One big advantage for the G, however, is the AWD (mine is a G35X). It virtually eliminates unwanted wheelspin, especially in the rain, and handles better in the snow. I never thought I would care about AWD until I drove this. The 252 hp FWD Saturn often chirped its tires even when I was not trying to drive aggresively. I suppose that may be a potential downside to the TSX - no AWD. |
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 23, 2009 4:38 pm) What do you drive, if its a TSX I hardly believe any G is going to try to race you, its a pure waste of the G drivers time. Again, you should be happy with your G, it's a nice car - if you prefer crude drivetrains, cheap materials, numb steering, and vague clutch/throttle response... Thanks for your opinion on this, its always good to know what others think, keeps me in check.  You are overlooking the real reasons why the 328i can keep up with those other, more powerful cars. It's not the I-6 (which I agree is a fine motor). It's weight (sprung and unsprung), gearing, driveline loss, and torque converters all conspiring to rob these cars of acceleration (and handling). The 305 HP Acura TL-S isn't as quick as the G37 because it has a slushbox and weighs 300 lbs. more. The TSX V6 isn't quicker because of the slushbox and FWD drivetrain (weight transfer at launch lifts the front wheels and limits traction). And that is exactly why the Acura needs to go back to the drawing board.
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