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Acura TSX, Infiniti G35, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#24 of 211 Re: Might be absurd [sweendogy]
Jul 11, 2007 (8:45 pm)
"...never stepped on the gas of a G35..responsive.. hello -306hp...responsive? step on the gas on the G...have you seen the reviews for this car?"
I don't own a TSX or a G35, but have driven both extensively.
I am also past puberty and believe the term "responsive" means more than stepping on the go pedal when the light turns green.
For your info, here's what I wrote after my first test drive of a 2007 G35 6-speed Sport last December (well before any of these discussions began):
"It's power feels soft. The clutch take up is sudden, making smooth shifts next to impossible. This difficulty was compounded by the most glaring fault - throttle response. I'm sure it's the drive-by-wire software, but it had a very detached feel to it, and revs hung so high and long that when you try to heel&toe, the revs actually leap up a few hundred RPM before they slowly start to decay. It was the most unnatural, awkward, and difficult to shift car I've driven in a long time. It's a car that you don't settle into and immediately feel comfortable driving."
fedlawman, "Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans" #7262, 26 Dec 2006 11:01 am
I admit the TSX would benefit from having some more ponies under the hood, but I love that the TSX begs to be driven. The controls all feel natural and effortless - you settle in immediately and everything just works and feels as it should. It's simply a car that loves to rev and shift and turn, and it puts a smile on your face every time.
I'm glad you enjoy the G35 - it's an impressive car for the money. I'm actually impressed with how sporty the G35 turned out to be considering how big and heavy it is (heavier and longer wheelbase than a Buick LaCrosse!). Maybe Infiniti and Buick should join forces and finally beat BMW in the luxury sport sedan market
#25 of 211 Re: Might be absurd [fedlawman]
Jul 12, 2007 (7:03 am)
If a G35 is a barge, would a CTS-V, M5, RS6, E55 (OK maybe this is one!) be mega barges? You want a nicely done car that is responsive and actually can get out of it's own way, get a mazdaspeed 3, or old mazdaspeed protege. Hell, an SVT focus (Kinda slow though) for that matter. They compare to a TSX about as well as a TSX compares to a G. TSX is overpriced and doesn't really know what it is.
#26 of 211 Re: Might be absurd [johninnj]
Jul 12, 2007 (10:54 am)
"If a G35 is a barge, would a CTS-V, M5, RS6, E55 (OK maybe this is one!) be mega barges?"
"TSX is overpriced..."
Yes, I agree that time has marched on since 2003 and the TSX no longer offers the value it once did. The entry-lux segment has moved upmarket in power, price, and size/weight and left the aging TSX to occupy a new, smaller niche. I think the TSX now compares more closely with cars like the VW Jetta/Passat/Audi A3/A4, Subaru Legacy, and Lexus IS250.
"...and doesn't really know what it is."
The TSX is a non-sentient machine. It doesn't know anything. I know that it is still one of the most approachable and entertaining sedans on the road. Is the G35 worth $3,000 more? That depends on what you value in a car - HP or chassis/driveline precision.
#27 of 211 Re: Might be absurd [fedlawman]
Jul 12, 2007 (12:45 pm)
The disparity in overall power (More torque than hp)is at least 3-5 times greater than the driveline disparity the other way. As an owner of an S2000 (05 - 2.2), I find it a joke that the tsx is a "Precision" machine. As an ex-owner of an 04TL, I am embarrassed at the turning radius...tsx didn't seem much better when I would have a loaner. I would think that is more barge-like than any other sentiment. Anything that is to be considered sporty needs to also be at least "Remotely" fast. That's why the TL outsells it almost 2:1. A3 is also overpriced but at least it can get out of it's own way.
#28 of 211 Re: Might be absurd [johninnj]
Jul 12, 2007 (3:02 pm)
"The disparity in overall power (More torque than hp)is at least 3-5 times greater than the driveline disparity the other way."
You're entitled to your opinion.
We all place different value in straight-line acceleration. You want sub-6 sec 0-60, and that's fine. Me? I place a high value on driveline precision.
As an S2000 owner, you can surely appreciate the joy of driving a car that lets the driver become "one with the machine" instead of merely manipulating the controls and going along for the ride. You have also experienced what it's like to have an almost telepathic dialogue with a car and have it respond to your inputs perfectly. Finally, you know what it is like to push a car to it's limits, and at all times know exactly what each tire is doing as they communicate to you through your hands, feet, ears, and seat of the pants - and to ride that razors edge knowing you're in complete control.
I don't believe the G35 is this type of car.
Of course the TSX has it's weaknesses being the luxury/family based car that it is (turning radius, all-season tires, FWD, etc.), but it does posses many of these sports car qualities. It's tossable, communicative, and has intuitive/fluid controls (like your S2000). It's limits are accessible without being scary, and it's fun exploring and playing with those limits. The G35 6-speed I drove, while a fast, grippy, and capable sport sedan, had none of these more elusive qualities. So while the TSX is no S2000, it's a lot closer to the mark than the G35 - and if you measure your car to the S2000 benchmark, the numb steering, jerky shifting G35 can only come up wanting.
One point I'll concede is that all of my opinions are based on the 6-speed manual versions of these cars. As I have stated in the past, I think the TSX with auto transmission is a dud - the slushbox literally saps all the fun out of the car. And although I've never driven a G35 with auto transmission, I truly believe that a slushbox would wipe away the negative traits that I found so distracting (clutch take-up, throttle response, rev matching issues, etc.).
I can't recommend the TSX with an auto transmission, nor can I recommend the G35 with a stick shift. My recommendation to you is to keep the S2000. If I didn't need a backseat in my weekend runabout, I'd be driving one too.
#29 of 211 Re: Might be absurd [fedlawman]
Jul 12, 2007 (4:12 pm)
Fair enough...I have both, actually. And my G is auto...complete with corny paddles but VERY nice rev-matched downshifting. That's what I meant with the TSX not really knowing what it is. 4 door hard-core...get an evo. 4 door comfy but fast...TL/G/IS/Legacy. 4 door cheap track burner...SRT/Mazdaspeed. In all fairness, all the loaner tsx's I drive were auto. Honda doesn't make an auto s2k for a reason (I still can't believe they made auto rx7tts).
#30 of 211 Re: Might be absurd [johninnj]
Jul 12, 2007 (5:40 pm)
You have a nice fleet in your stable - not unlike my own choices. A sporty yet comfortable car for the week, and an unfiltered, uncompromised sports car for the weekend.
I guarantee if you take a TSX 6-speed for a spin, you'd understand. Off the top of my head, I would describe it as 65% TL (refinement, luxury) and 35% Miata (nimble, crisp).
#31 of 211 Re: Might be absurd [fedlawman]
Jul 12, 2007 (8:33 pm)
I just might, because now I've become curious. I have driven a 6mt TL, and found the shifter to be a bit sloppy (Although pretty good for a front driver). I have a car-nut friend who now has a 911CS, who swears that his early 90's miata was the best shifting car he's ever owned. He's owned some really really really good cars, including an nsx, sti, rx7, s2k, and a gs-r. I still don't think I can get past a nearly 30K car that barely breaks 8 seconds 0-60 though. I stop at a lot of redlights! ! !
#32 of 211 Re: Might be absurd [silvertl]
Jul 12, 2007 (8:43 pm)
That's funny..my laptop has my old ID saved. I'm curious, do you think the tsx is sportier than a 325? I drove a 98 (I think) M3 HARD and I swear the front end felt as planted or more than the s2k. My friend who had a 2000 s2k said his was more lively than my "Watered down" 05 though.
#33 of 211 Re: Might be absurd [fedlawman]
Jul 14, 2007 (6:57 am)
FEDLAW what do you drive?? Would like to know how you know so much about the ACURA TSX and The Infiniti G35. I have owned a 2000 Acura integra GS-R (loved the manual, the highrev engine was terrific for when I was in my early 20's) a 2003 VW Jetta GLI for the money I thought it was the best car I could get.. Had the Vr6 with the 6speed --had more grunt then the TSX without the need to unwind the engine to get it up to speed. Not as refined as the TSX, did not have the best service (VW vs acura) but my belief it was a more fun car to drive and again for the price was a hidden jewel-the new Jetta GlI is more TSX then old VR6 jetta. My move to G35x was a hard one for me as I had to give up the manual (living in new england wanted awd) but the engine power is addictive --the Car is not a "barge" or a "buick" (comments that are utterly redik) on the turns --yes its heavy compared to the TSX --yep-- but again its on a par with the TL (power to weight) the TSX and TL has had there run but need a injection of power and a face lift to spark new interest (2009 i think this will come) --for the money --power, technology, service, standard features its hard to knock the 07 G.. Please look at the articles that have written and tested both the sedan and coupe and the experts have had nothing but rave reviews for these cars -- plus consumer reports has the g on top for 2007--