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Acura TSX, Infiniti G35, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#176 of 211 Re: Acura vs. Infiniti [sjaieve]
Jun 24, 2009 (3:33 pm)
"As far as Acura refinement/polishness goes, you are probably the 1st person I have heard say this."
Really!?!? It's obvious that you've never driven a TSX, and now I'm sure you've never even read a magazine review either. Car & Driver Magazine eloquently summed up the TSX back in 2004. Here's a sample:
"Take Acura's new sports sedan, the TSX. It's a car that distances itself from its rivals not by performance numbers, but rather by how it performs. The TSX goes about its business so smoothly and so silkily that precision could be its middle name."
"Sit behind the TSX's leather-wrapped, three-spoke steering wheel, and it appears as if all the money went into the materials and the fluidity of the parts. The sumptuous leather, the tasteful metallic accents, the LED gauges, and the top-grade plastics are befitting a car costing twice as much...All the materials scream luxury, and all the parts whisper smooth. Every knob, switch, and moving part seems to be glazed with Teflon."
"Our advice is this: If you're in the market for a less-than-$30-grand sports sedan, check out the TSX. It's not the quickest to 60, or the fastest around the skidpad, or the shortest stopper, but it's the purest form of precision in its class."
And C&D's first drive of the 2009 TSX...
"From our brief first drive along the mountain roads northeast of San Diego, we can say that the new car still has that light-on-its-feet feeling that has characterized the TSX all along. Power from the rev-happy 201-hp, 2.4-liter four-cylinder is sufficient if not overabundant. The delightfully precise, stubby six-cog manual shifter is exactly the same bit found in the 2008 model and delivers, not surprisingly, the same level of satisfaction."
"As before, the TSX’s steering is crisp, quick, and happily unaffected by the 172 pound-feet of torque being sent to the front axle. The suspension is taut, yielding sweet and flat cornering about as close to that of, say, the Volkswagen GTI, as possible without allowing impact harshness to turn off premium brand customers"
"We have always been fond of the TSX’s balance of power, comfort, and fun, so we were thrilled (and relieved) that, for once, such a balance has been retained in spite of Honda’s thorough reworking of pretty much everything around that honey of an engine."
Obviously, it's not your kind of car, and that's OK - The G is a fantastic car, no doubt. But I challenge you to find one review of the G37 that uses so many words like "jewel," "refined," "delightful," "smoothly and silkily," "sumptuous," or "tasteful" to describe the G37. These words should give you some idea of why the TSX appeals to so many people - in spite of it's obvious performance shortcomings. These subjective characteristics may not be important to you personally, but they are important qualities in the ELLPS class. And these qualities happen to be where the TSX shines over the G37.
#177 of 211 Re: Acura vs. Infiniti [fedlawman]
Jun 24, 2009 (4:48 pm)
Is Acura arrogant or stupid?
Why is it that all other brands are using 6,7 or 8 Speed Auto transmission, but
Acura is still using 5 Speed Auto?
Is it a cash problem or just being ignorant and not understand what's going on?
Why is Acura insisting using Major Ugly Design-especially front face that only
mother would love?
When you spend Millions of dollar developing new cars, don't they ask for
some input and opinion Before in production?
BMW-nice performance cars, which I'd only consider leasing during warranty
period, Unless you have a good friend or relative who can work on it when it
starts to breakdown after warranty is over.
#178 of 211 Re: TSX vs G [fedlawman]
Jun 25, 2009 (4:47 pm)
The TSX comes with a V-6 engine?? The TL has aV-6 engine. The G37 will blow the TSX off the road..... And if yiu get the G37X - with AWD which the Acura TSX doesn't offer, NO CONTEST. I like the TSX both the newest generation and the last generation, but the Infiniti G35-37 X sport, Journey rules this segment of the market. read the reviews.
#179 of 211 Re: Acura vs. Infiniti [sjaieve]
Jun 25, 2009 (4:54 pm)
Hate that CVT tranny. Give me a traditional, rear wheel drive drivetrain, with AWD, power and torquey. G37X Handsdown... The fully loaded Maxima, if you price it out, you will find it may come in for more than a G37X with the premium package.
#180 of 211 Re: TSX vs G [almatti]
Jun 25, 2009 (7:06 pm)
"The G37 will blow the TSX off the road."
First one to the skate park wins!
#181 of 211 Re: TSX vs G [fedlawman]
Jun 25, 2009 (8:10 pm)
I am sorry man, ELLPS has cars worth on average 35k & up. My G is worth north of that number. When CD said if you want a car less than 30k the TSX is the best in that category, they hit the nail in the head. The TSX simply does not compete (see CD camparo of the TL, G37, A4 & 328i) and no matter how much you think its refined, my take on refinement is A4 & lexus IS250. Funny enough, I actually did test drive the TSX & TL before getting the IS250. Never been so uninspired in my life. At the time power was not important to me but the Acura line up was DEAD as far as I was concerned.
BTW the TSX is a Honda Accord in Japan, i.e. a family sedan. The G is a Nissan Skyline in Japan, which is a sports sedan. You can consider the TSX as ELLPS in your world but in Japan where it comes from its meant to compete with the Camry & Altima , Maxima will annihilate the TSX which is why I tell you to focus on your under 30k group where the TSX nicely fits in, but obviously as a family sedan, it will not compete very well. Camry & Accord will own it.
As for your take on what you define as silky, smooth, refined, I am sorry, the IS250 did that very well for me. The A4 is on my top choice as well. And do I care that you choose to spend your money on the Honda Accord, yes mine is a Nissan skyline, no I dont care. I am not even trying to convince you to get the G. If I was the only one driving the G in America I could not be happier. My point still stands SIR, you are WAY out of your league here. In any case the G outsells the TSX, not saying it means anything but I guess fewer people are convinced to the a TSX over its competition, Camry, Accord, Altima, Maxima which are the better choices IMHO.
Ask anyone who made a similar move from IS250 (way more refined than the TSX) to the G, ask them what they thought of the move, they will tell you the G is twice the car offered by the IS250. Ask people who move from the TL to the G, and I can assure you, you will find people moving from the TSX to the G (fewer going the reverse route). Spoken differently, is moving from a G to a TSX an "upgrade"?
#182 of 211 Re: TSX vs G [sjaieve]
Jun 25, 2009 (8:23 pm)
My point still stands SIR, you are WAY out of your league here.
If you were so comfortable with that fact, why would you make STATEMENTS like THAT? Personally, I don't have a horse in this race, but I usually enjoy reading about comparisons like this, but this forum has gotten a little depressing lately. A lot less to read about cars, and a lot more huffing and puffing about "blowing the doors" off each other's cars. Really? You're in a business-class sedan and you're concerned about getting the jump on the fellow sedan at the traffic light? I have a lot more respect for a car that won't embarass itself in the curves as opposed to in a straight line. Frankly, legal limits will be reached (and exceeded by a great deal) in general long before either of these cars handling limits will. Steering feel? Yes please. Again, neither of these is a runaway winner in that department; both are decidedly sporty while still lending a luxury feel.
My best friend drives a comparble car to mine, but never once have we ever pretended we were "racing for pinks," but what do I know. I just graduated college and am 21 years old, and haven't gotten the first speeding ticket or caused an accident. Guess I went straight from teenager to geezer.
#183 of 211 Re: Acura vs. Infiniti [almatti]
Jun 25, 2009 (8:26 pm)
I am simply trying to educate this guy that if he prefers FWD, there are finer examples out there, like the Maxima. I actually have a deep respect for the Maxima, I think its a fine product but I prefer RWD and the G like you said is a better option.
One thing that I have noticed is the G drivers have been steered away from performance, you get labeled with the "0-60 fanboys" title, LOL. What else can you say about a TSX, you will most certainly have to look for some subjective features which funny enough, the G embodies as well.
Is there a way to add Camry, Maxima, Altima to this thread, I think this discussion will end. Here will be the ranking
2)Camry, Altima, Maxima,
At least thats what I think. Heck I dont mind losing to any of those cars tied at 2 either, just not the TSX, LOL.
#184 of 211 Re: TSX vs G [thegraduate]
Jun 25, 2009 (8:34 pm)
Read my posts again, at some stage I said "no G driver will waste his time trying to race a TSX" I dont think it will be a race anyways. I am certainly not interested in that and I have enjoyed my 300 horses, I mean I did pay for them right, what I choose to do with them is certainly my business right.
To be fair, I have seen only one guy who spoke about smoking a TSX. My posts have touched on a lot of things and I have spent the least amount of time on smoking a TSX, I think everyone is in agreement that performance the G takes it, no need to go there, its a waste of everyones time.
All I want is to include the Camry, Maxima, Altima v6 models, thats where things get interesting. I care more for the opinions of drivers of those cars than TSX, its just mud slinging and funny enough I have not said much about the things I dont like about the TSX, just the things I like about the G.
Oh BTW, I am very comfortable with what I am saying, remember I am the guy who after reading CD tell me to buy a 328i over a G I was like are you nuts, and I chose. That should tell you that I am a strong independent personality, and I expect everyone here to be the same so my statements are not meant to scare, insult or anything, just take them at face value and throw your opinions in my direction, heck quote more CD if you want, its even more enjoyable.
BTW, add 335i, that should keep me in check, LOL
Is there any G driver who wants to add something about steering feel and cornering, I can get slalom numbers and figure 8 numbers but if people do not understand how well this car does in that dept as well, I am really not willing to waste my time on this.
#185 of 211 Re: TSX vs G [sjaieve]
Jun 26, 2009 (5:23 am)
I am really not willing to waste my time on this.
Could have fooled me.