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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 24, 2009 9:05 am)  e luxury sedans under 100k. In my case though, the GTR tickles my fancy more.
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Replying to: sjaieve (Jun 24, 2009 9:15 am) Yes, that's all for some people. There're so many people out there who try to justify that when they spend more money, they get better products. I like to buy CK and Lacoste cloths b/c I like them. If you ask me "is the quality better than those cheaper brands?", I don't think. However, some people would think that because they spend $80 for a Lacoste shirt, they get a superior quality product. Those are the people who say "BMW is the best!, or "Honda is the best!, or "Toyota is the best!", "Nissan is the best!", or "MB is the best!".
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 24, 2009 9:05 am) I'm enjoying my '08 manual TSX, but not as much as the 3-series estate I would have preferred -- if it didn't have RFTs and came with a 2 or 2.5 litre diesel. Oh, and then there's that failure-prone oil level sensor and no dip stick, oh, and that . . . So, the TSX is a definite compromise for me, but the G would have been also. Truck engine, lousy fuel mileage & no fold-down rear seats, but that's just me. Another backstory is the TSX diesel that was supposed to have been introduced here by now, but apparently won't be. I figured I could trade in my gasser on the diesel & do okay. Oh, but wait, no diesel for you (think soup Nazi). I could end up driving this appliance for quite some time & it's generally okay. I'd really like RWD, but I've got a solid manual transmission, decent handling & pretty damn good fuel mileage, plus which the thing will last for the next 200K miles. If Audi brings a diesel A3 or A4 with a manual, or if BMW wakes up and brings the 2 or 2.5 diesels (with manual) over here (as opposed to the giant-killer 3.35D, only available with an automatic), or if I decide I can live with VW reliability, I may trade in my TSX, but for now I'm okay. |
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Replying to: sjaieve (Jun 24, 2009 9:52 am) Actually, I'm not a fan of the new M3 (or any current BMW's). It's too big and heavy for me. No, my M3 is a 22 year-old original E30. It's got a 2.5L 4-cylinder engine and weighs 2700 lbs. Actually, your GTR is another perfect example of why you and I have completely different feelings about cars. When I drive a car, I appreciate subtle tactile steering response, a light, crisp shift action, perfectly modulated throttle response, an engine that sings and asks for more as it winds up to 8000 RPM, and a chassis that dances through corners. I want to be rewarded for driving a car with skill and precision. The GTR is more like a video game than a sports car - just push the go pedal and turn the steering wheel and it does the rest. You can have it. It matters less to me how fast I'm going than the way the car interacts with and responds to me. Remember, we're talking about cars that are primarily used to commute in urban traffic and maybe take a cruise down the freeway on the weekend. If we are talking about going to the track on weekends and driving at 10/10ths, then yes, G37 is the better choice (though, still a poor choice compared to better cars out there). But for relaxing in traffic during your weekday commute or clearing your head with a brisk (but not aggressive) 7/10ths drive through the mountains, I think the TSX is the more pleasant car to drive. More precise steering, better clutch/shifter, airy and bright cabin, soft touch controls, and lighter on it's feet. It just feels right. The Altima, Accord, Camry, etc. could perhaps be compared with the automatic transmission TSX, but none of them can match the TSX's combination of trim dimensions, chassis dynamics, and quality fit/finish. If you can't tell the difference, then you have never driven a 6MT TSX. I do agree with you about the direction Acura is going. The previous generation TSX and TL were better, more focused cars than the current crop.
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 24, 2009 12:06 pm) I think the best car in this class would offer the sportiness of the G37 with the polish/refinement of the Acura TSX. Basically, the BMW 335i.
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Replying to: gooddeal2 (Jun 24, 2009 10:43 am) |
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 24, 2009 12:06 pm) A lot of good things have been said of this model of the M3. Look man, I dont own a GTR and so will not get into any discussion on how it feels etc although I disagree a lot with what you said about it. I will leave it at that. If we are talking about going to the track on weekends and driving at 10/10ths, then yes, G37 is the better choice (though, still a poor choice compared to better cars out there). But for relaxing in traffic during your weekday commute or clearing your head with a brisk (but not aggressive) 7/10ths drive through the mountains, I think the TSX is the more pleasant car to drive. I am not sure if you are saying this becuase you dislike me or the car, LOL. Listen, I used to own an IS250 before I got rid of it. I will tell you this, the G drives better in every day traffic than the IS250. It just feels so much better, less tire noise and more comfortable as it absorbs bumps better. In fact these days I have just been rolling down the windows driving at 50mph listening to music and just watching guys pass by. Sooooooo relaxing. Just to be fair, here are my issues with the G: No DRL Doors do not lock when you start driving, this has been corrected for 09 models though. Fuel mileage 20mpg, its bad but cant complain, I knew what I was getting into. I do use all of my horses quite frequently though. Or put differently, its tough to hide all those horses. The IS250 had better materials than the G, but, compared to say Camry, Accord, Altima, the materials are better, which is the minimum I require to call this a luxury car. Good luck with the Altima, Camry, Maxima forums, if I were you I would not even start a thread of that nature as I think it will be tough convincing those guys the TSX is the wiser choice. |
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 24, 2009 12:22 pm) I have to disagree. In terms of sportiness, the 335i rules. So you cant say a 335i with the sportiness of the G37, please apologize to the 335i owners:) As far as Acura refinement/polishness goes, you are probably the 1st person I have heard say this, but each to his own, its what makes you happy at the end of the day right. 
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Replying to: sjaieve (Jun 24, 2009 1:28 pm) Really!?!? It's obvious that you've never driven a TSX, and now I'm sure you've never even read a magazine review either. Car & Driver Magazine eloquently summed up the TSX back in 2004. Here's a sample: "Take Acura's new sports sedan, the TSX. It's a car that distances itself from its rivals not by performance numbers, but rather by how it performs. The TSX goes about its business so smoothly and so silkily that precision could be its middle name." "Sit behind the TSX's leather-wrapped, three-spoke steering wheel, and it appears as if all the money went into the materials and the fluidity of the parts. The sumptuous leather, the tasteful metallic accents, the LED gauges, and the top-grade plastics are befitting a car costing twice as much...All the materials scream luxury, and all the parts whisper smooth. Every knob, switch, and moving part seems to be glazed with Teflon." "Our advice is this: If you're in the market for a less-than-$30-grand sports sedan, check out the TSX. It's not the quickest to 60, or the fastest around the skidpad, or the shortest stopper, but it's the purest form of precision in its class." And C&D's first drive of the 2009 TSX... "From our brief first drive along the mountain roads northeast of San Diego, we can say that the new car still has that light-on-its-feet feeling that has characterized the TSX all along. Power from the rev-happy 201-hp, 2.4-liter four-cylinder is sufficient if not overabundant. The delightfully precise, stubby six-cog manual shifter is exactly the same bit found in the 2008 model and delivers, not surprisingly, the same level of satisfaction." "As before, the TSX’s steering is crisp, quick, and happily unaffected by the 172 pound-feet of torque being sent to the front axle. The suspension is taut, yielding sweet and flat cornering about as close to that of, say, the Volkswagen GTI, as possible without allowing impact harshness to turn off premium brand customers" "We have always been fond of the TSX’s balance of power, comfort, and fun, so we were thrilled (and relieved) that, for once, such a balance has been retained in spite of Honda’s thorough reworking of pretty much everything around that honey of an engine." Obviously, it's not your kind of car, and that's OK - The G is a fantastic car, no doubt. But I challenge you to find one review of the G37 that uses so many words like "jewel," "refined," "delightful," "smoothly and silkily," "sumptuous," or "tasteful" to describe the G37. These words should give you some idea of why the TSX appeals to so many people - in spite of it's obvious performance shortcomings. These subjective characteristics may not be important to you personally, but they are important qualities in the ELLPS class. And these qualities happen to be where the TSX shines over the G37.
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 24, 2009 3:33 pm) Why is it that all other brands are using 6,7 or 8 Speed Auto transmission, but Acura is still using 5 Speed Auto? Is it a cash problem or just being ignorant and not understand what's going on? Why is Acura insisting using Major Ugly Design-especially front face that only mother would love? When you spend Millions of dollar developing new cars, don't they ask for some input and opinion Before in production? BMW-nice performance cars, which I'd only consider leasing during warranty period, Unless you have a good friend or relative who can work on it when it starts to breakdown after warranty is over.
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