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Replying to: sjaieve (Jun 24, 2009 8:52 am) A BMW M3. "Acura needs to go back to the drawing board." And this summarizes why you just don't get it. The TSX is exactly what it's supposed to be. It's not trying to be a G37 or 3-series. Like clothing, people buying cars in this segment have many different priorities for choosing Brand A over Brand B. Some place a high value on acceleration and handling while others look for a certain style, refinement, aesthetics. If you think of the G37 as a "poor man's BMW 3-series," then perhaps it would help to think of the TSX as a "rich man's VW Jetta." Different target audience, different strengths and weaknesses, different philosophy, but no less compelling a car than the G37. |
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Replying to: drwilsc (Jun 23, 2009 2:55 pm) If you want another car can I suggest: Altima, Genesis, Maxima, Camry, they all are FWD cars and I dont think there is anything the TSX offers not available in these cars, unless "brand" is important to you. I was in a Maxima the other day and was impressed by what it has to offer, the interior looks great, comes with a super large moonroof, interior room is abundant, lots of tech (you have the same in the G though), 290HP and most likely if the G gets DI taking it to 350HP, the Maxima in the 2011/2012 MY may get the VQ engines currently available in the G37. This will be at the same time you are changing cars. I can assure you are going to get more information once the threads start that compare these cars (Camry, Altima, Genesis, Accord  etc) to the TSX, the other drivers are going to have a lot to say and it will be fun, if I have time I will check them out just for the fun of it.
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 24, 2009 9:05 am) Makes sense, I would not try as I would get slaughtered, its not worth both my time or your time. And this summarizes why you just don't get it. The TSX is exactly what it's supposed to be. It's not trying to be a G37 or 3-series. Like clothing, people buying cars in this segment have many different priorities for choosing Brand A over Brand B. Some place a high value on acceleration and handling while others look for a certain style, refinement, aesthetics. Well I do, I think getting a TSX for a premium over Altimas, Camrys or Honda Accord may be considered by some as not worth it unless you are buying into the brand. I do not think I am the only one who will tell you that Acura messed up the current line up. They really do need to regroup. Look at the previous TL, did they really need to kill it like they did in the current MY. All they had to do was make a good thing better, and they did the opposite. See the MT comments on the TSX, lots of people are in the same boat as me. If you think of the G37 as a "poor man's BMW 3-series," then perhaps it would help to think of the TSX as a "rich man's VW Jetta." LOL, take it easy champ. The G can be priced right up to 45k, same as the 328i. The base price of the 335i is 40k. I dont think we are still living in the age where the 3 series is for rich people, these are not "rich people" prices we are talking about. If that were the case, what would we say of the Ferraris of this world. These are all entry level luxury cars so to say a G is a poor mans 3 series is really ......... Here is the thing, you try to compare a TSX to a G, take any segment, reliability, handling, tech, etc, it will get slaughtered, it will most likely get slaughtered with the Maxima, Camry and Accord as well. My point still stands, the TSX should not be compared to the G, maybe Camry as its way out if its league here. Like it or not thats just the way it is. Put differently, the G is way out of its league with the M3, even the previous gen M3 and you will never see me try to compare these cars. |
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 24, 2009 9:05 am)  e luxury sedans under 100k. In my case though, the GTR tickles my fancy more.
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Replying to: sjaieve (Jun 24, 2009 9:15 am) Yes, that's all for some people. There're so many people out there who try to justify that when they spend more money, they get better products. I like to buy CK and Lacoste cloths b/c I like them. If you ask me "is the quality better than those cheaper brands?", I don't think. However, some people would think that because they spend $80 for a Lacoste shirt, they get a superior quality product. Those are the people who say "BMW is the best!, or "Honda is the best!, or "Toyota is the best!", "Nissan is the best!", or "MB is the best!".
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 24, 2009 9:05 am) I'm enjoying my '08 manual TSX, but not as much as the 3-series estate I would have preferred -- if it didn't have RFTs and came with a 2 or 2.5 litre diesel. Oh, and then there's that failure-prone oil level sensor and no dip stick, oh, and that . . . So, the TSX is a definite compromise for me, but the G would have been also. Truck engine, lousy fuel mileage & no fold-down rear seats, but that's just me. Another backstory is the TSX diesel that was supposed to have been introduced here by now, but apparently won't be. I figured I could trade in my gasser on the diesel & do okay. Oh, but wait, no diesel for you (think soup Nazi). I could end up driving this appliance for quite some time & it's generally okay. I'd really like RWD, but I've got a solid manual transmission, decent handling & pretty damn good fuel mileage, plus which the thing will last for the next 200K miles. If Audi brings a diesel A3 or A4 with a manual, or if BMW wakes up and brings the 2 or 2.5 diesels (with manual) over here (as opposed to the giant-killer 3.35D, only available with an automatic), or if I decide I can live with VW reliability, I may trade in my TSX, but for now I'm okay. |
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Replying to: sjaieve (Jun 24, 2009 9:52 am) Actually, I'm not a fan of the new M3 (or any current BMW's). It's too big and heavy for me. No, my M3 is a 22 year-old original E30. It's got a 2.5L 4-cylinder engine and weighs 2700 lbs. Actually, your GTR is another perfect example of why you and I have completely different feelings about cars. When I drive a car, I appreciate subtle tactile steering response, a light, crisp shift action, perfectly modulated throttle response, an engine that sings and asks for more as it winds up to 8000 RPM, and a chassis that dances through corners. I want to be rewarded for driving a car with skill and precision. The GTR is more like a video game than a sports car - just push the go pedal and turn the steering wheel and it does the rest. You can have it. It matters less to me how fast I'm going than the way the car interacts with and responds to me. Remember, we're talking about cars that are primarily used to commute in urban traffic and maybe take a cruise down the freeway on the weekend. If we are talking about going to the track on weekends and driving at 10/10ths, then yes, G37 is the better choice (though, still a poor choice compared to better cars out there). But for relaxing in traffic during your weekday commute or clearing your head with a brisk (but not aggressive) 7/10ths drive through the mountains, I think the TSX is the more pleasant car to drive. More precise steering, better clutch/shifter, airy and bright cabin, soft touch controls, and lighter on it's feet. It just feels right. The Altima, Accord, Camry, etc. could perhaps be compared with the automatic transmission TSX, but none of them can match the TSX's combination of trim dimensions, chassis dynamics, and quality fit/finish. If you can't tell the difference, then you have never driven a 6MT TSX. I do agree with you about the direction Acura is going. The previous generation TSX and TL were better, more focused cars than the current crop.
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 24, 2009 12:06 pm) I think the best car in this class would offer the sportiness of the G37 with the polish/refinement of the Acura TSX. Basically, the BMW 335i.
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Replying to: gooddeal2 (Jun 24, 2009 10:43 am) |
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 24, 2009 12:06 pm) A lot of good things have been said of this model of the M3. Look man, I dont own a GTR and so will not get into any discussion on how it feels etc although I disagree a lot with what you said about it. I will leave it at that. If we are talking about going to the track on weekends and driving at 10/10ths, then yes, G37 is the better choice (though, still a poor choice compared to better cars out there). But for relaxing in traffic during your weekday commute or clearing your head with a brisk (but not aggressive) 7/10ths drive through the mountains, I think the TSX is the more pleasant car to drive. I am not sure if you are saying this becuase you dislike me or the car, LOL. Listen, I used to own an IS250 before I got rid of it. I will tell you this, the G drives better in every day traffic than the IS250. It just feels so much better, less tire noise and more comfortable as it absorbs bumps better. In fact these days I have just been rolling down the windows driving at 50mph listening to music and just watching guys pass by. Sooooooo relaxing. Just to be fair, here are my issues with the G: No DRL Doors do not lock when you start driving, this has been corrected for 09 models though. Fuel mileage 20mpg, its bad but cant complain, I knew what I was getting into. I do use all of my horses quite frequently though. Or put differently, its tough to hide all those horses. The IS250 had better materials than the G, but, compared to say Camry, Accord, Altima, the materials are better, which is the minimum I require to call this a luxury car. Good luck with the Altima, Camry, Maxima forums, if I were you I would not even start a thread of that nature as I think it will be tough convincing those guys the TSX is the wiser choice. |
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