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194 messages, Last post on Jul 24, 2009 at 7:54 AM
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Replying to: sjaieve (Jun 23, 2009 1:20 pm) It seems to me that an inordinate number of G owners think their car is the shiznit. I can't begin to count the number of G's that have pulled up next to me at a light and wanted to race me. It's a Jack-of-all-trades in that it does many things well (accelerate, corner, ride, features, etc.), but it isn't the best at anything. In it's class, it's not the fastest, it's not the best handling, it's not the most luxurious or refined, and it's not the prettiest. "I used to take the 328i for granted but when you realize that with only 230HP, the car will take on the TSX V6, Cadillac CTS, C350, TL with 305HP." You are overlooking the real reasons why the 328i can keep up with those other, more powerful cars. It's not the I-6 (which I agree is a fine motor). It's weight (sprung and unsprung), gearing, driveline loss, and torque converters all conspiring to rob these cars of acceleration (and handling). The 305 HP Acura TL-S isn't as quick as the G37 because it has a slushbox and weighs 300 lbs. more. The TSX V6 isn't quicker because of the slushbox and FWD drivetrain (weight transfer at launch lifts the front wheels and limits traction). Again, you should be happy with your G, it's a nice car - if you prefer crude drivetrains, cheap materials, numb steering, and vague clutch/throttle response... 
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Replying to: drwilsc (Jun 23, 2009 2:55 pm)  "One reason for my original post (#130) was I was looking for someone to tell me why I should get a TSX V6." I won't be the one to tell you that. If Buick were to build a small, sporty sedan, it would be the V6 TSX. "my previous car, a 2007 Saturn Aura XR. (hey, don't laugh...)" I'm not laughing. I think the Aura is actually a pretty nice car (and a good effort from GM). The 3.6L is an outstanding motor, and I like the brown leather interior and cockpit design/layout (nicer than the G  ).
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 23, 2009 4:48 pm) One big advantage for the G, however, is the AWD (mine is a G35X). It virtually eliminates unwanted wheelspin, especially in the rain, and handles better in the snow. I never thought I would care about AWD until I drove this. The 252 hp FWD Saturn often chirped its tires even when I was not trying to drive aggresively. I suppose that may be a potential downside to the TSX - no AWD. |
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 23, 2009 4:38 pm) What do you drive, if its a TSX I hardly believe any G is going to try to race you, its a pure waste of the G drivers time. Again, you should be happy with your G, it's a nice car - if you prefer crude drivetrains, cheap materials, numb steering, and vague clutch/throttle response... Thanks for your opinion on this, its always good to know what others think, keeps me in check.  You are overlooking the real reasons why the 328i can keep up with those other, more powerful cars. It's not the I-6 (which I agree is a fine motor). It's weight (sprung and unsprung), gearing, driveline loss, and torque converters all conspiring to rob these cars of acceleration (and handling). The 305 HP Acura TL-S isn't as quick as the G37 because it has a slushbox and weighs 300 lbs. more. The TSX V6 isn't quicker because of the slushbox and FWD drivetrain (weight transfer at launch lifts the front wheels and limits traction). And that is exactly why the Acura needs to go back to the drawing board.
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Replying to: sjaieve (Jun 24, 2009 8:52 am) A BMW M3. "Acura needs to go back to the drawing board." And this summarizes why you just don't get it. The TSX is exactly what it's supposed to be. It's not trying to be a G37 or 3-series. Like clothing, people buying cars in this segment have many different priorities for choosing Brand A over Brand B. Some place a high value on acceleration and handling while others look for a certain style, refinement, aesthetics. If you think of the G37 as a "poor man's BMW 3-series," then perhaps it would help to think of the TSX as a "rich man's VW Jetta." Different target audience, different strengths and weaknesses, different philosophy, but no less compelling a car than the G37. |
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Replying to: drwilsc (Jun 23, 2009 2:55 pm) If you want another car can I suggest: Altima, Genesis, Maxima, Camry, they all are FWD cars and I dont think there is anything the TSX offers not available in these cars, unless "brand" is important to you. I was in a Maxima the other day and was impressed by what it has to offer, the interior looks great, comes with a super large moonroof, interior room is abundant, lots of tech (you have the same in the G though), 290HP and most likely if the G gets DI taking it to 350HP, the Maxima in the 2011/2012 MY may get the VQ engines currently available in the G37. This will be at the same time you are changing cars. I can assure you are going to get more information once the threads start that compare these cars (Camry, Altima, Genesis, Accord etc) to the TSX, the other drivers are going to have a lot to say and it will be fun, if I have time I will check them out just for the fun of it.
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 24, 2009 9:05 am) Makes sense, I would not try as I would get slaughtered, its not worth both my time or your time. And this summarizes why you just don't get it. The TSX is exactly what it's supposed to be. It's not trying to be a G37 or 3-series. Like clothing, people buying cars in this segment have many different priorities for choosing Brand A over Brand B. Some place a high value on acceleration and handling while others look for a certain style, refinement, aesthetics. Well I do, I think getting a TSX for a premium over Altimas, Camrys or Honda Accord may be considered by some as not worth it unless you are buying into the brand. I do not think I am the only one who will tell you that Acura messed up the current line up. They really do need to regroup. Look at the previous TL, did they really need to kill it like they did in the current MY. All they had to do was make a good thing better, and they did the opposite. See the MT comments on the TSX, lots of people are in the same boat as me. If you think of the G37 as a "poor man's BMW 3-series," then perhaps it would help to think of the TSX as a "rich man's VW Jetta." LOL, take it easy champ. The G can be priced right up to 45k, same as the 328i. The base price of the 335i is 40k. I dont think we are still living in the age where the 3 series is for rich people, these are not "rich people" prices we are talking about. If that were the case, what would we say of the Ferraris of this world. These are all entry level luxury cars so to say a G is a poor mans 3 series is really ......... Here is the thing, you try to compare a TSX to a G, take any segment, reliability, handling, tech, etc, it will get slaughtered, it will most likely get slaughtered with the Maxima, Camry and Accord as well. My point still stands, the TSX should not be compared to the G, maybe Camry as its way out if its league here. Like it or not thats just the way it is. Put differently, the G is way out of its league with the M3, even the previous gen M3 and you will never see me try to compare these cars. |
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 24, 2009 9:05 am) e luxury sedans under 100k. In my case though, the GTR tickles my fancy more.
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Replying to: sjaieve (Jun 24, 2009 9:15 am) Yes, that's all for some people. There're so many people out there who try to justify that when they spend more money, they get better products. I like to buy CK and Lacoste cloths b/c I like them. If you ask me "is the quality better than those cheaper brands?", I don't think. However, some people would think that because they spend $80 for a Lacoste shirt, they get a superior quality product. Those are the people who say "BMW is the best!, or "Honda is the best!, or "Toyota is the best!", "Nissan is the best!", or "MB is the best!".
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 24, 2009 9:05 am) I'm enjoying my '08 manual TSX, but not as much as the 3-series estate I would have preferred -- if it didn't have RFTs and came with a 2 or 2.5 litre diesel. Oh, and then there's that failure-prone oil level sensor and no dip stick, oh, and that . . . So, the TSX is a definite compromise for me, but the G would have been also. Truck engine, lousy fuel mileage & no fold-down rear seats, but that's just me. Another backstory is the TSX diesel that was supposed to have been introduced here by now, but apparently won't be. I figured I could trade in my gasser on the diesel & do okay. Oh, but wait, no diesel for you (think soup Nazi). I could end up driving this appliance for quite some time & it's generally okay. I'd really like RWD, but I've got a solid manual transmission, decent handling & pretty damn good fuel mileage, plus which the thing will last for the next 200K miles. If Audi brings a diesel A3 or A4 with a manual, or if BMW wakes up and brings the 2 or 2.5 diesels (with manual) over here (as opposed to the giant-killer 3.35D, only available with an automatic), or if I decide I can live with VW reliability, I may trade in my TSX, but for now I'm okay. |
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