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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 17, 2008 10:45 am) Passenger Volume 96 ft3 (4D) 09 Maxima 102 ft3 (4D) 09 Mazda 6 Luggage Volume 14 ft3 (4D) 09 Maxima 17 ft3 (4D) 09 Mazda 6
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 17, 2008 10:45 am) Front Headroom (in.) 38.50 39.40 Rear Headroom (in.) 36.40 37.30 Front Legroom (in.) 43.80 42.50 Rear Legroom (in.) 34.60 38.00 Front Shoulder Room (in.) 56.30 57.30 Rear Shoulder Room (in.) 55.10 56.50 Front Hip Room (in.) 53.40 55.10 Rear Hip Room (in.) 53.90 55.90 After spending a lot of time in both the Mazda6, and their current 2004 Maxima, the Mazda6 feels smaller.The Mazda6 has a driver focused cockpit and every control can be reached with relative ease. I'm wondering how the 09 Max is in comparison.
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Replying to: tenpin288 (Nov 17, 2008 10:54 am) |
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 17, 2008 10:14 am) Not necessarily. And not unless you really rev it up.The only way you will get the Maximas greater maximum horsepower is to wind it up to much higher than necessary revs. Sure, the Nissan may have a sight edge in a drag race, but most people do not rev their motors to their maximum revs in normal everyday driving. In normal everyday daily driving, extra torque is the better way to go. I will take a modern 3.7L with more torque to a warmed over higher HP 3.5L engine anytime. Torque is what pulls you along in normal everyday driving, when doing normal driving, grade climbing, leaving normally from a dead stop, etc. Many do not like the CVT and prefer feeling the gear changes, and from what I have read, Mazdas six speeds do get the job done. I drove that CVT tranny for two days in a rental and it does take some getting used to.
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Replying to: donna388 (Nov 17, 2008 11:11 am) The 3.5 in the Max (VQ) is one of the best V6s ever.... the 3.7 in the Mazda has a long way to go to even be in the same league IMO. |
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Nov 17, 2008 11:02 am) One of the reviews I read on the '09 Max is Nissan still has some torque steer problems. Automobile mag actually just did a comparo on the Max vs 6 vs Passat cc. I didn't get a chance to read it, though
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Replying to: donna388 (Nov 17, 2008 11:11 am) |
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Replying to: tjc78 (Nov 17, 2008 11:28 am) |
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Replying to: tjc78 (Nov 17, 2008 11:28 am) Of course, this is also an admission that the other two cost more. If I worked for Mazda, I would be inclined to like its products, so it's hard for me to be too critical. However, it does sound to me as if that's a factor here. |
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Replying to: donna388 (Nov 17, 2008 11:11 am) grad's got it right here - hp is torque delivered over time. the actual formula is hp= (torque*rpm)/5252. In itself and as a measure of any car's ability to accelerate, the higher the HP the better the acceleration times, not necessarily the torque. If the Maxima is about the same weight as the 6 you are talking about, the Maxima's 290hp would easily blow away the 6s 260+. Otherwise we could all be driving around in rev challenged diesels that despite 350 lb ft. (or more) of torque still can't get out of their own way. Wouldn't we?  Yes it is certainly torque that you feel in the seat of your pants when you initially hit the accelerator (as grad noted) BUT it is the abililty of any engine to rev quickly (or apply that torque in a given period of time (making HP)) that determines actual accelerative power. Truck buyers worship torque numbers and tend to buy things like those slow diesels for precisely these reasons - they have big loads they need to get moving and are less concerned with how long it might take to get to any given speed. I would also challenge you on the 'modern" V6 assertion on the DT. While the engine is obviously putting out 50 or 60 extra horses than the old DT, is not nearly the 210hp 'dog' that it was comparatively, it is still requiring more displacement to do it. Plain and simple the Nissan VQ is getting quite a bit more hp per unit of displacement than either the Ford or Mazda DT. Furthermore the Ford/Mazda engine is still a coupla generations behind in the valve train design , simple VVT on the intake valves vs. CVVTi intelligent (computer controlled) continuously variable intake AND exhaust valve timing on undeniably the best V6 of this group - the Toyota 2GR. Now that engine - is 'modern' - and innovative. Recent updates have pulled the VQ to almost the same levels as the 2GR, but not quite - it is the VQs remarkable history that sets it above all the rest, including the newer Toyota design.
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