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Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [jaymagic] by lmandrews
Nov 13, 2008 (1:29 pm)
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Replying to: jaymagic (Oct 29, 2007 7:29 am)

In your post #3518 dated 10/29/07 you mentioned a memory seat problem with your Amanti. I would be very interested in what your problem was. I am having a problem programming the seat using only the controls on the door. Everything worked as described in the manual from 4/08 until about a week ago (11/3/08) when it suddenly would not hold the program. KIA is trying to convince me that the instructions in the manual are wrong and that the seat must be programmed using the remotes, which I have never done. The main control module was replaced, but the problem remains. I would appreciate any information you may have about this problem.
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2009 Maxima v 2009 Mazda6 by aviboy97
Nov 17, 2008 (9:53 am)
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Hey everyone-
  
I'm doing a little homework here for my in-laws for they are considering trading their 2004 Maxima for either a 2009 Maxima 3.5 SV (possibly with tech) or a 2009 Mazda6 s GT (possibly with Nav).
  
They are similar in size, although the Max is bigger which is not a good thing in their eyes since they thought the 04 was a bit too big. They are very similarly equipped too. The Mazda has Bluetooth, Xenons, leather, dual climate, fuel computer, every safety feature under the Sun and Blind Sport Monitor detection system, something the Max does not have. TO get Xenons on the Max, you need to get Nav. Not the case with Mazda, since they are standard.
  
Power goes to Max with 290hp / 261 tq vs Mazda's 272 hp / 269 tq. Fuel economy is similar, however, the Max recommends Premium, is that correct?
  
The price advantage will go the the Mazda as well, for I can get them the Mazda6 s GT w/ Nav, moon roof / Bose Audio / Sirius radio for under $30,000. What are the Maxima's selling for? Particularly the SV with Tech, Bluetooth and Xenons?
  
BTW, I work for Mazda, so there is no need to educate me on the 6. I don't wanna hear any Ford talk either. Ford does not build or engineer the Mazda6. I'm really looking for useful input on the Maxima. Thanks in advance!
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Other Way Around. by donna388
Nov 17, 2008 (10:02 am)
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"Power goes to Max with 290hp / 261 tq vs Mazda's 272 hp / 269 tq.
Fuel economy is similar, however, the Max recommends Premium, is that correct?"
 
You've got it backwards.
 
The Mazda has the edge here because of greater torque.
 
Also, if the Max must use premium and the Mazda regular, there is a savings.
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Re: Other Way Around. [donna388] by thegraduate
Nov 17, 2008 (10:14 am)
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Replying to: donna388 (Nov 17, 2008 10:02 am)

That horespower will matter when merging or passing. Torque is what gets you going from a start. The Maxima's CVT will use the power more effectively and efficiently, because there will be no gear changes; instead, the engine will be able to go right to the best part of the powerband and stay there, unlike a conventional automatic.
 
By the way, the Maxima is actually 3 inches shorter in length than the Mazda, which has grown quite large. They shortened the Maxima for 2009.
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Re: Other Way Around. [thegraduate] by aviboy97
Nov 17, 2008 (10:40 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 17, 2008 10:14 am)

I've heard great things about Nissan's CVT. The Aisin unit in the Mazda6 has a very sharp and precise shift which stays in its power band as well. No shift shock or power lag.
 
By the way, the Maxima is actually 3 inches shorter in length than the Mazda, which has grown quite large
 
Their current Maxima feels like a boat. It's their 3rd Maxima, and they were not a big fan of how big it got, but, purchased it over the Altima at the time, because they felt the Altima was relatively cheap in comparison. I noticed the size change after I posted. The 6 has more interior room too. Should the Max really be considered a mid-sized sedan?? I think so.
 
It looks like the price will be closer then I anticipated. I can get them a Mazda6 s GT with Nav / moon roof / Bose / Sirius radio for around $29,300. I've gotten quotes on the Maxima SV with tech, Xenons, and Bluetooth for around $32,500. That's nearly $4,000 off MSRP. Plus Mazda has 0% for 36 months, and I don't think Nissan has anything for the 09 Maxima.
  
I guess it's going to come down to what car they like more. They have yet to test drive either. I'm curious to see which they will like more.
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Re: Other Way Around. [aviboy97] by thegraduate
Nov 17, 2008 (10:45 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Nov 17, 2008 10:40 am)

The 6 has more interior room too.
 
Any numbers on the interior volume? I'm curious, since it has grown so much. I know the Accord (non-moonroof) is 106 cu. ft. and with its 14 cu. ft. trunk, equals the 120 cu. ft. that it takes to get into the "Full Size" car territory. I was just curious how close the 6 comes to this.
 
I can't find numbers on the Maxima either.
 
Thanks,
 
TheGrad
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Re: Other Way Around. [thegraduate] by tenpin288
Nov 17, 2008 (10:54 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 17, 2008 10:45 am)

From www.fueleconomy.gov
 
Passenger Volume

96 ft3 (4D) 09 Maxima

102 ft3 (4D) 09 Mazda 6

Luggage Volume

14 ft3 (4D) 09 Maxima

17 ft3 (4D) 09 Mazda 6
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Re: Other Way Around. [thegraduate] by aviboy97
Nov 17, 2008 (11:02 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 17, 2008 10:45 am)

Maxima Mazda6
 
Front Headroom (in.) 38.50 39.40
Rear Headroom (in.) 36.40 37.30
Front Legroom (in.) 43.80 42.50
Rear Legroom (in.) 34.60 38.00
Front Shoulder Room (in.) 56.30 57.30
Rear Shoulder Room (in.) 55.10 56.50
Front Hip Room (in.) 53.40 55.10
Rear Hip Room (in.) 53.90 55.90
 
After spending a lot of time in both the Mazda6, and their current 2004 Maxima, the Mazda6 feels smaller.The Mazda6 has a driver focused cockpit and every control can be reached with relative ease. I'm wondering how the 09 Max is in comparison.
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Re: Other Way Around. [tenpin288] by aviboy97
Nov 17, 2008 (11:04 am)
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Replying to: tenpin288 (Nov 17, 2008 10:54 am)

The truck in the Mazda6 is 16.5cu ft, not 17.3.
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Re: Other Way Around. [thegraduate] by donna388
Nov 17, 2008 (11:11 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 17, 2008 10:14 am)

"That horespower will matter when merging or passing. Torque is what gets you going from a start."
 
Not necessarily. And not unless you really rev it up.The only way you will get the Maximas greater maximum horsepower is to wind it up to much higher than necessary revs.
 
Sure, the Nissan may have a sight edge in a drag race, but most people do not rev their motors to their maximum revs in normal everyday driving.
In normal everyday daily driving, extra torque is the better way to go.
I will take a modern 3.7L with more torque to a warmed over higher HP 3.5L engine anytime.
Torque is what pulls you along in normal everyday driving, when doing normal driving, grade climbing, leaving normally from a dead stop, etc.
 
Many do not like the CVT and prefer feeling the gear changes, and from what I have read, Mazdas six speeds do get the job done. I drove that CVT tranny for two days in a rental and it does take some getting used to.

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