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#6758 of 6844 Re: 2009 [plekto] by allmet33 Oct 27, 2008 (1:13 pm)
Replying to: plekto (Oct 27, 2008 1:06 pm) What GM needs is direct injection and electronic valves in their engines. All of them. this would give them an enormous advantage over the competition   Funny thing is...GM is using direct injection on the 3.6 in the Outlook/Acadia. Oh...my bad, they were talking about switching to it.   Actually...what they do have currently is the SIDI...spark ignition direct injection.   GM Press Release
#6759 of 6844 Re: How 2010 Taurus will affect 2009 prices [carolinabob] by joe97 Oct 27, 2008 (6:11 pm)
Replying to: carolinabob (Oct 09, 2008 11:00 am) The Genesis (and Azera) have tremendous potential, but Hyundai needs to spend the money to get the cars designed right from the ground up, insure quality and then determine the price of the car.   I must have missed the memo about how Hyundai didn't spend enough money to put the Genesis from sketch to production; I've also likely missed the memo about its quality and correct pricing - silly me... Replies to this message: allmet33 (Oct 28, 2008 5:58 am) carolinabob (Oct 28, 2008 10:09 am) allmet33 (Oct 28, 2008 10:22 am) joe97 (Oct 28, 2008 12:06 pm)
#6760 of 6844 Re: How 2010 Taurus will affect 2009 prices [joe97] by allmet33 Oct 28, 2008 (5:58 am)
Replying to: joe97 (Oct 27, 2008 6:11 pm) Joe97...you didn't miss any memos, the only quality knock on the Genesis is the suspension. I think the Koreans really don't know how to tune the suspensions of their vehicles for the North American market. What they may like over there in Korea isn't what we look for hear. Oh yeah, and the unfinished trunk lining under the rear deck.   To be honest...the suspension has been the only consistent issue with the Genesis, yet...folks that have bought them aren't even complaining so it makes me wonder if the folks that are merely test driving them are saying it to give them something to harp on...I don't really know. When I tested one, the ride was quite compliant, confident and poised over pot holes, man hole covers and other road imperfections. I didn't have a chance to get on the highway with it, but I would imagine cruising on the highway would be a very pleasant experience.   As far as pricing goes...I really don't know what anyone could say. The car is worth more and because it's a Hyundai, folks want to pay even less for it than what's being asked. Granted, it can be purchased below sticker, but even at $42K...the 4.6 w/tech package is one heck of a steal!!!
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#6762 of 6844 Re: How 2010 Taurus will affect 2009 prices [joe97] by carolinabob Oct 28, 2008 (10:09 am)
Replying to: joe97 (Oct 27, 2008 6:11 pm) Will say it again. Re: the Genesis, read the October issues of Car & Driver and Automobile magazines.   Several people on Edmunds and other blogs have mentioned concerns about the ride. The posts here re: the Azera speak for themselves.   Re; pricing, spend a little more to get it correct and then charge accordingly instead of trying to dramatically undercut the competetion on price. Replies to this message: allmet33 (Oct 28, 2008 10:22 am) joe97 (Oct 28, 2008 12:06 pm)
#6763 of 6844 Re: How 2010 Taurus will affect 2009 prices [carolinabob] by allmet33 Oct 28, 2008 (10:22 am)
Replying to: carolinabob (Oct 28, 2008 10:09 am) No offense Carolinabob...Hyundai has always undercut the competition on price, that has ALWAYS been their niche. Fortuntately with nearly 60K miles on my '06 Azera, I haven't experienced the problems I have read in postings here on Carspace as well as Hyundai-Forums. What Hyundai really needs to do is bring in an American consultant to work with them on the suspention tuning. They take care of that main issue and the rest is a cake walk. As far as pricing goes...they really don't have to address pricing...their cars are priced quite fairly in my opinion. Folks just need to accept the fact that Hyundai has grown up and and a $40K Hyundai exists!
#6764 of 6844 Re: How 2010 Taurus will affect 2009 prices [carolinabob] by joe97 Oct 28, 2008 (12:06 pm)
Replying to: carolinabob (Oct 28, 2008 10:09 am) So let me be more direct here, obviously I didn't make myself clear earlier   You said, "Hyundai needs to spend the money to get the cars designed right from the ground up"   Hyundai spent over 530 million dollars to develop the Genesis from the ground up.   Re; pricing, spend a little more to get it correct and then charge accordingly instead of trying to dramatically undercut the competetion on price.   If the Genesis price range doesn't make sense, how much were you thinking?   As for the ride of the Genesis, there are obviously room for improvement, no doubt; nonethless, it is a good one, a very good first attempt. The Genesis has a very balanced ride, think somewhere in between the GS and the 5er. By the way, I disagree with your position the MKS rides much better than the Genesis - to me, the MKS rode a little soft in comparison to the Genesis.
#6765 of 6844 Impala-My impressions by badgerfan Nov 06, 2008 (9:17 am)
I just drove a rental 2008 white Chevy Impala LT with about 4300 miles on it for two weeks in New England on vacation. Put about 700 miles on it. Having not driven this generation of Impala before, I was curious about what GM's latest version was. For the record, I drive a 2000 Ford Taurus SES with the DOHC 3.0 V-6, with 75K miles on it. I have not read any of the 6700+ posts here.   My impressions: On the plus side it was quite quiet, had a smooth ride, shifted and braked well, and had a large nicely shaped trunk with linkage hinges so as to make most of the trunk space useable.   On the minus side, handling was somewhat remote, and road noise at times seemed higher than my Taurus is, though both were acceptable in my mind.   What I really did not like were the outside rear view mirrors which were small, oddly triangular shaped, and the white body color housing was very distracting. The center console dash lights reflected in the top of the windshield at night, and the other gage lights behind the steering wheel reflected in the drivers side door window AND in the rear view mirror!   Also the cupholders were way too far back in the console, and the armrest on the console was also too far back and poorly cushioned.   The rear seats on this model at least, didn't fold down.   Front seat comfort was not as good as my Taurus. My rear ached after anything longer than a 1 hour drive.   The visors were too small and did not block sun in the upper corners.   I detested the fake burled wood on the dash. It looked cheap.   Most of these negatives would not be deal breakers for me, except for the poor outside mirrors, the reflections of the dash lights in the glass, the cupholder placement, the center armrest problem and the less than ideal front seat comfort. These items would definitely make me shop elsewhere. Replies to this message: berri (Nov 06, 2008 5:40 pm) thegraduate (Nov 06, 2008 7:55 pm) tjc78 (Nov 07, 2008 4:31 am) and 4 more... ronsmith38 (Nov 07, 2008 5:18 am) badgerfan (Nov 07, 2008 3:15 pm) thegraduate (Nov 08, 2008 9:04 am)
#6766 of 6844 Re: Impala-My impressions [badgerfan] by berri Nov 06, 2008 (5:40 pm)
Replying to: badgerfan (Nov 06, 2008 9:17 am) I had a similar car in Miami several weeks ago and used to own a 2000 Taurus until I got fed up with the constant repairs once it was out of warranty. I thought the Impala road nicer than the Taurus on the highway, but the Taurus was a better driver. You are right that the seat backs are the killer on the Impala. They are terrible after a few hours. Taurus seats in an Impala would make a nice highway car if reliability improved. What's with the current Taurus - all that back seat legroom, but cramped driver's leg room further aggravated by intruding wheel wells? Replies to this message: thegraduate (Nov 06, 2008 7:55 pm) tjc78 (Nov 07, 2008 4:31 am) allmet33 (Nov 07, 2008 6:43 am) and 3 more... ronsmith38 (Nov 07, 2008 5:18 am) badgerfan (Nov 07, 2008 3:15 pm) thegraduate (Nov 08, 2008 9:04 am)
#6767 of 6844 Re: Impala-My impressions [berri] by thegraduate Nov 06, 2008 (7:55 pm)
Replying to: berri (Nov 06, 2008 5:40 pm) What's with the current Taurus - all that back seat legroom, but cramped driver's leg room further aggravated by intruding wheel wells?   CRAMPED Driver's Legroom? I'm 6'5" (with a short torso, long legs) and find there to be plentiful legroom front and back (I tend to sit with the seat all the way back in every car or full size truck I've driven). The real aggrivating thing is the lack of a telescoping steering wheel, although I think the Impala lacks this also, right? Replies to this message: tjc78 (Nov 07, 2008 4:31 am) allmet33 (Nov 07, 2008 6:43 am) thegraduate (Nov 07, 2008 7:42 am) and 2 more... ronsmith38 (Nov 07, 2008 5:18 am)

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