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#6755 of 6844 Re: 2009 [tjc78] by thegraduate Oct 27, 2008 (8:50 am)
Replying to: tjc78 (Oct 27, 2008 8:33 am) The thing is, the same people who always participated here (you included )are still driving those large cars, to the best of my knowledge!   I agree about the 3.9L. They should put the 3.6L/6sp in it and be done with the thirsty Northstar. Replies to this message: tjc78 (Oct 27, 2008 10:04 am) plekto (Oct 27, 2008 1:06 pm) allmet33 (Oct 27, 2008 1:13 pm)
#6756 of 6844 Re: 2009 [thegraduate] by tjc78 Oct 27, 2008 (10:04 am)
Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 27, 2008 8:50 am) I am still driving my Avalon you are correct. I think on the reasons we all stopped is the topic got a bit stale and the cars really haven't changed except the Maxima. Don't worry, Allmet and the Captain have been having some good conversation over on the Genesis board!
#6757 of 6844 Re: 2009 [thegraduate] by plekto Oct 27, 2008 (1:06 pm)
Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 27, 2008 8:50 am) What GM needs is direct injection and electronic valves in their engines. All of them. this would give them an enormous advantage over the competition.   Imagine the entire top half of the engine gone - no timing chain, no camshafts, no valve assembly, no having to deal with oil as well or a myriad of other problems. Keeping the air/fuel and oil separate in the engine is huge by itself - no chance of problems there. And the head can be made out of essentially un-warpable materials or the engine could be made without a head entirely(no upper gaskets)   Lighter, cheaper, more reliable, and far better fuel economy. Valves and compression getting poor? It'll adjust the clearances on the fly - and if it's really shot, replace the module and go on your way.   Not holding my breath, though. Replies to this message: allmet33 (Oct 27, 2008 1:13 pm)
#6758 of 6844 Re: 2009 [plekto] by allmet33 Oct 27, 2008 (1:13 pm)
Replying to: plekto (Oct 27, 2008 1:06 pm) What GM needs is direct injection and electronic valves in their engines. All of them. this would give them an enormous advantage over the competition   Funny thing is...GM is using direct injection on the 3.6 in the Outlook/Acadia. Oh...my bad, they were talking about switching to it.   Actually...what they do have currently is the SIDI...spark ignition direct injection.   GM Press Release
#6759 of 6844 Re: How 2010 Taurus will affect 2009 prices [carolinabob] by joe97 Oct 27, 2008 (6:11 pm)
Replying to: carolinabob (Oct 09, 2008 11:00 am) The Genesis (and Azera) have tremendous potential, but Hyundai needs to spend the money to get the cars designed right from the ground up, insure quality and then determine the price of the car.   I must have missed the memo about how Hyundai didn't spend enough money to put the Genesis from sketch to production; I've also likely missed the memo about its quality and correct pricing - silly me... Replies to this message: allmet33 (Oct 28, 2008 5:58 am) carolinabob (Oct 28, 2008 10:09 am) allmet33 (Oct 28, 2008 10:22 am) joe97 (Oct 28, 2008 12:06 pm)
#6760 of 6844 Re: How 2010 Taurus will affect 2009 prices [joe97] by allmet33 Oct 28, 2008 (5:58 am)
Replying to: joe97 (Oct 27, 2008 6:11 pm) Joe97...you didn't miss any memos, the only quality knock on the Genesis is the suspension. I think the Koreans really don't know how to tune the suspensions of their vehicles for the North American market. What they may like over there in Korea isn't what we look for hear. Oh yeah, and the unfinished trunk lining under the rear deck.   To be honest...the suspension has been the only consistent issue with the Genesis, yet...folks that have bought them aren't even complaining so it makes me wonder if the folks that are merely test driving them are saying it to give them something to harp on...I don't really know. When I tested one, the ride was quite compliant, confident and poised over pot holes, man hole covers and other road imperfections. I didn't have a chance to get on the highway with it, but I would imagine cruising on the highway would be a very pleasant experience.   As far as pricing goes...I really don't know what anyone could say. The car is worth more and because it's a Hyundai, folks want to pay even less for it than what's being asked. Granted, it can be purchased below sticker, but even at $42K...the 4.6 w/tech package is one heck of a steal!!!
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#6762 of 6844 Re: How 2010 Taurus will affect 2009 prices [joe97] by carolinabob Oct 28, 2008 (10:09 am)
Replying to: joe97 (Oct 27, 2008 6:11 pm) Will say it again. Re: the Genesis, read the October issues of Car & Driver and Automobile magazines.   Several people on Edmunds and other blogs have mentioned concerns about the ride. The posts here re: the Azera speak for themselves.   Re; pricing, spend a little more to get it correct and then charge accordingly instead of trying to dramatically undercut the competetion on price. Replies to this message: allmet33 (Oct 28, 2008 10:22 am) joe97 (Oct 28, 2008 12:06 pm)
#6763 of 6844 Re: How 2010 Taurus will affect 2009 prices [carolinabob] by allmet33 Oct 28, 2008 (10:22 am)
Replying to: carolinabob (Oct 28, 2008 10:09 am) No offense Carolinabob...Hyundai has always undercut the competition on price, that has ALWAYS been their niche. Fortuntately with nearly 60K miles on my '06 Azera, I haven't experienced the problems I have read in postings here on Carspace as well as Hyundai-Forums. What Hyundai really needs to do is bring in an American consultant to work with them on the suspention tuning. They take care of that main issue and the rest is a cake walk. As far as pricing goes...they really don't have to address pricing...their cars are priced quite fairly in my opinion. Folks just need to accept the fact that Hyundai has grown up and and a $40K Hyundai exists!
#6764 of 6844 Re: How 2010 Taurus will affect 2009 prices [carolinabob] by joe97 Oct 28, 2008 (12:06 pm)
Replying to: carolinabob (Oct 28, 2008 10:09 am) So let me be more direct here, obviously I didn't make myself clear earlier   You said, "Hyundai needs to spend the money to get the cars designed right from the ground up"   Hyundai spent over 530 million dollars to develop the Genesis from the ground up.   Re; pricing, spend a little more to get it correct and then charge accordingly instead of trying to dramatically undercut the competetion on price.   If the Genesis price range doesn't make sense, how much were you thinking?   As for the ride of the Genesis, there are obviously room for improvement, no doubt; nonethless, it is a good one, a very good first attempt. The Genesis has a very balanced ride, think somewhere in between the GS and the 5er. By the way, I disagree with your position the MKS rides much better than the Genesis - to me, the MKS rode a little soft in comparison to the Genesis.

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