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#6750 of 6854 How 2010 Taurus will affect 2009 prices by pod

Sep 12, 2008 (3:32 pm)

I consider the 2008 Mercury Sable (or Ford Taurus) to be a pretty good car. The new Ford CEO has essentially apologized for the "homer simpson" appearance and lack of sportiness and promised that the 2010 version will be a much more attactive and performance oriented vehicle. A different chassis, a different enine, etc. Spy photos have appeared that show a major change. Fine. I wonder how the knowledge that the present Taurus/Sable is to be phased out by 2010 will affect the price of these 2009 models. I would expect it to come down but perhaps they will throttle down the production so that there is no surplus of 2009's. Any thoughts on whether the price of the 2008-2009 Taurus/Sable will drop as we approach 2010?

#6751 of 6854 Re: How 2010 Taurus will affect 2009 prices [pod] by carolinabob

Oct 09, 2008 (12:00 pm)

Replying to: pod (Sep 12, 2008 3:32 pm)
Confused? The new this summer Lincoln MKS is based on the Taurus platform (chassis) which is the Volvo S80 platform. The MKS has a tweaked Taurus V6. How can they be doing all that much revision to the Taurus and not the MKS?
    BTW, I have given up on Hyundai after the 3rd set of new shocks on my 07 Azera with only 11,000 miles are deterioriating. I also test drove three different Genesis' and concur with Automobile Magazine, Car and Driver and others who reported significant deficiencies in the Genesis suspension.
    Also drove an MKS, it rides a lot better than the Genesis, but does need more power if accelerating up steep hills or interstate entry ramps.
   The Genesis (and Azera) have tremendous potential, but Hyundai needs to spend the money to get the cars designed right from the ground up, insure quality and then determine the price of the car.

#6752 of 6854 2009 by thegraduate

Oct 27, 2008 (8:58 am)

This forum has gotten QUIET! A few questions to bring back the conversation...
 
Let's discuss changes available for 2009 on these vehicles. I know the Chrysler models got a bump in V8 power. What else? Has Hyundai changed the Azera at all since it came out?
 
The Buick Lucerne CX and CXL now come standard with a more powerful & efficient 3.9L, replacing the 3.8L motor. Would that change your mind in car shopping?
 
Does anybody here have the new Maxima? How about the G8?

#6753 of 6854 Re: 2009 [thegraduate] by allmet33

Oct 27, 2008 (9:06 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 27, 2008 8:58 am)
The changes in the Azera are subtle. Switching from silver to chrome accents inside. Instead of a rich mahogany faux wood, it now looks more like a good grade of oak. The stereo got a bigger screen dislplay and along with the climate controls, it all has a blue backlight instead of the green backlight. The speaker grilles are now plastic to deal with the complaints of the cloth retaining scuff marks. The grille has been re-done and actually looks better than the orginal grille. Oh, and the suspension was tweaked and they are using some new components. Not sure if it will do any better as the problems seem to show up after a few thousand miles are put on them...so the jury is out on that supposed improvement.
 
That's all I have on the Azera.

#6754 of 6854 Re: 2009 [thegraduate] by tjc78

Oct 27, 2008 (9:33 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 27, 2008 8:58 am)
The Buick Lucerne CX and CXL now come standard with a more powerful & efficient 3.9L, replacing the 3.8
 
Nope... still not what should be in the "flagship" Buick. As has been said many times... there are better choices.
 
As for the new Max.. I didn't drive one but did check it out and sat in it. The interior is very nice, however I am not sure that it fits into the large sedan category any longer. It certainly seems smaller inside than the previous generation.
 
I think one of the reasons this thread is quiet is because in general the large car market is not doing all that well. Although gas has been dropping people still are going for more fuel efficient vehicles.

#6755 of 6854 Re: 2009 [tjc78] by thegraduate

Oct 27, 2008 (9:50 am)

Replying to: tjc78 (Oct 27, 2008 9:33 am)
The thing is, the same people who always participated here (you included )are still driving those large cars, to the best of my knowledge!
 
I agree about the 3.9L. They should put the 3.6L/6sp in it and be done with the thirsty Northstar.

#6756 of 6854 Re: 2009 [thegraduate] by tjc78

Oct 27, 2008 (11:04 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 27, 2008 9:50 am)
I am still driving my Avalon you are correct. I think on the reasons we all stopped is the topic got a bit stale and the cars really haven't changed except the Maxima. Don't worry, Allmet and the Captain have been having some good conversation over on the Genesis board!

#6757 of 6854 Re: 2009 [thegraduate] by plekto

Oct 27, 2008 (2:06 pm)

Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 27, 2008 9:50 am)
What GM needs is direct injection and electronic valves in their engines. All of them. this would give them an enormous advantage over the competition.
 
Imagine the entire top half of the engine gone - no timing chain, no camshafts, no valve assembly, no having to deal with oil as well or a myriad of other problems. Keeping the air/fuel and oil separate in the engine is huge by itself - no chance of problems there. And the head can be made out of essentially un-warpable materials or the engine could be made without a head entirely(no upper gaskets)
 
Lighter, cheaper, more reliable, and far better fuel economy. Valves and compression getting poor? It'll adjust the clearances on the fly - and if it's really shot, replace the module and go on your way.
 
Not holding my breath, though.

#6758 of 6854 Re: 2009 [plekto] by allmet33

Oct 27, 2008 (2:13 pm)

Replying to: plekto (Oct 27, 2008 2:06 pm)
What GM needs is direct injection and electronic valves in their engines. All of them. this would give them an enormous advantage over the competition
 
Funny thing is...GM is using direct injection on the 3.6 in the Outlook/Acadia. Oh...my bad, they were talking about switching to it.
 
Actually...what they do have currently is the SIDI...spark ignition direct injection.
 
GM Press Release

#6759 of 6854 Re: How 2010 Taurus will affect 2009 prices [carolinabob] by joe97

Oct 27, 2008 (7:11 pm)

Replying to: carolinabob (Oct 09, 2008 12:00 pm)
The Genesis (and Azera) have tremendous potential, but Hyundai needs to spend the money to get the cars designed right from the ground up, insure quality and then determine the price of the car.
 
I must have missed the memo about how Hyundai didn't spend enough money to put the Genesis from sketch to production; I've also likely missed the memo about its quality and correct pricing - silly me...

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