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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 10, 2008 5:51 am) |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Sep 10, 2008 5:27 am) Or maybe you weren't part of those conversations. The G8 does not sell for the same price as the Genesis, it's actually less. It depends on how narrowly one defines their car. Looking for a sporty RWD car, is different than looking for a RWD with luxury features, with a specific engine etc. I can handily see a V6 Genesis against a G8. In all reality, the Genesis is 90% of the car for 60% of the price You could also say the G8 is 95% of the car for 50% of the price. It depends on what value you place on engineering, luxury and doo-dads. |
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 10, 2008 7:45 am) Conversations with whom??? It depends on how narrowly one defines their car. Looking for a sporty RWD car, is different than looking for a RWD with luxury features, with a specific engine etc. No...it depends on the price of the car. A fully loaded G8 GT sells for less than a Genesis 4.6 that's fully loaded...simple fact. You could also say the G8 is 95% of the car for 50% of the price. It depends on what value you place on engineering, luxury and doo-dads. No...if it doesn't have everything that the other car has, then it can't be 95% of the car. We're talking overall features that the Genesis has, that the G8 doesn't. So if the Genesis is 90% of a top tier brand of car, how can the G8 be 95% of one??? Compare the cars for what they offer. If you want bare bones performance with a few nice features, the G8 is for you. If you want creature comforts, smooth ride and luxury amenities...the Genesis is what you'll choose, simple as that. |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Sep 10, 2008 7:54 am) I think I found the problem. One person is defining the car by, well, the car; something like chassis solidity, willingness to have fun AND be settled on the highway, etc. The other is defining it on paper (car H has X feature while car P doesn't). I've driven a basic Audi Cabriolet, and a Sebring Convertible. They were actually similarly equipped, but the Audi was much more "car." More solid, better handling AND ride (to me). It was much more "car" than the Sebring was, despite features that were similar.
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 10, 2008 8:04 am) The G8 is more car from the performance perspective and if that's your leaning...by all means. From a standpoint of features and amenities...the Genesis is more car because of what is offered for the money. It's not to say you can't have driving fun in the Genesis, you can just have more of it with the G8. However...if your the type that likes cruising, then your driving would be wasted on a G8. |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Sep 10, 2008 7:54 am) With whomever was saying these things? No...it depends on the price of the car. A fully loaded G8 GT sells for less than a Genesis 4.6 that's fully loaded...simple fact I specifically said V6. True there is a horsepower differential, but there are people who shop solely on price. Just like there are people who shop on features, name, gas mileage etc. No...if it doesn't have everything that the other car has, then it can't be 95% of the car. Performance counts very heavily, in fact more than doo-dads. The car has to walk the talk. The difference between a G8 and a 550i is less about the time to 60 and more about the total package. The G8 is probably 90% of the car at 50% of the price of a 550i. The other 10% to perfection is costly.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 10, 2008 8:51 am) Must not have been too many, I talk cars with a lot of folks and that topic NEVER came up. I specifically said V6. True there is a horsepower differential, but there are people who shop solely on price. Just like there are people who shop on features, name, gas mileage etc. Even with the V-6...the G8 is still less than the Genesis. Performance counts very heavily, in fact more than doo-dads. Once again, it depends on whose doing the shopping. Personally, I look for a nice mix of performance and amenities. So in MY case, the Genesis would win out. |
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I consider the 2008 Mercury Sable (or Ford Taurus) to be a pretty good car. The new Ford CEO has essentially apologized for the "homer simpson" appearance and lack of sportiness and promised that the 2010 version will be a much more attactive and performance oriented vehicle. A different chassis, a different enine, etc. Spy photos have appeared that show a major change. Fine. I wonder how the knowledge that the present Taurus/Sable is to be phased out by 2010 will affect the price of these 2009 models. I would expect it to come down but perhaps they will throttle down the production so that there is no surplus of 2009's. Any thoughts on whether the price of the 2008-2009 Taurus/Sable will drop as we approach 2010?
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Replying to: pod (Sep 12, 2008 2:32 pm) BTW, I have given up on Hyundai after the 3rd set of new shocks on my 07 Azera with only 11,000 miles are deterioriating. I also test drove three different Genesis' and concur with Automobile Magazine, Car and Driver and others who reported significant deficiencies in the Genesis suspension. Also drove an MKS, it rides a lot better than the Genesis, but does need more power if accelerating up steep hills or interstate entry ramps. The Genesis (and Azera) have tremendous potential, but Hyundai needs to spend the money to get the cars designed right from the ground up, insure quality and then determine the price of the car. |
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This forum has gotten QUIET! A few questions to bring back the conversation... Let's discuss changes available for 2009 on these vehicles. I know the Chrysler models got a bump in V8 power. What else? Has Hyundai changed the Azera at all since it came out? The Buick Lucerne CX and CXL now come standard with a more powerful & efficient 3.9L, replacing the 3.8L motor. Would that change your mind in car shopping? Does anybody here have the new Maxima? How about the G8?
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