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Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 09, 2008 5:52 pm) A G8 GT lists for about $10K less than a V8 Genesis, and beats it pretty handily in every performance category except fuel economy. According to C & D magazine, which tested both, the G8 handling feel and steering are also better. The G8 has more interior volume, a bigger trunk, better weight distribution, and is even quieter at idle and 70 MPH cruise. The G8 lacks the luxury doodads of the Genesis, but IMO, it comes down to priorities - what each buyer feels is more important to them. The esteem of the Pontiac nameplate is not real high, but it's still higher than Hyundai. It would be easier to explain to my neighbors why I paid $32K for the G8, than trying to convince them why a Hyundai is worth $42K.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 09, 2008 5:52 pm) The G8 is a different animal than the Genesis, sorta like the difference between a Charger R/T and a 300C. One is more athletic while the other is classy and refined. The G8 does not sell for the same price as the Genesis, it's actually less. Indeed, we are entitled to our own opinions and I'll leave it at that. Still never heard of the G35 beign the one car that would shut BMW down, maybe that was something you came up with in your own thoughts. In all reality, the Genesis is 90% of the car for 60% of the price...those are facts, not thoughts. However, you can't quantify the brand name which so many people feed into. Those that post that 90% of a top tier brand isn't good enough are the ones that really just don't want to give props where they are due. You are right though, only time will tell.
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Replying to: cobrazera (Sep 10, 2008 3:12 am) That's the problem, too many folks feel they need to EXPLAIN why they made a choice for themselves to other people. It would be totally different if your neighbors were paying the monthly note on the car for you. Bottom line, you made a decision for yourself (at least I hope that would be the case) because you weighed all the options and felt it was the best move for YOU. What's to explain??? 
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 09, 2008 7:19 pm) I disagree, we are in the US auto market. What Hyundai does in the rest of the world is irrelevant if their cars don't sell in the USA. Everyone here (in Edmunds forums) isn't necessarily in the US auto market.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Sep 10, 2008 5:27 am) Or maybe you weren't part of those conversations. The G8 does not sell for the same price as the Genesis, it's actually less. It depends on how narrowly one defines their car. Looking for a sporty RWD car, is different than looking for a RWD with luxury features, with a specific engine etc. I can handily see a V6 Genesis against a G8. In all reality, the Genesis is 90% of the car for 60% of the price You could also say the G8 is 95% of the car for 50% of the price. It depends on what value you place on engineering, luxury and doo-dads. |
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 10, 2008 7:45 am) Conversations with whom??? It depends on how narrowly one defines their car. Looking for a sporty RWD car, is different than looking for a RWD with luxury features, with a specific engine etc. No...it depends on the price of the car. A fully loaded G8 GT sells for less than a Genesis 4.6 that's fully loaded...simple fact. You could also say the G8 is 95% of the car for 50% of the price. It depends on what value you place on engineering, luxury and doo-dads. No...if it doesn't have everything that the other car has, then it can't be 95% of the car. We're talking overall features that the Genesis has, that the G8 doesn't. So if the Genesis is 90% of a top tier brand of car, how can the G8 be 95% of one??? Compare the cars for what they offer. If you want bare bones performance with a few nice features, the G8 is for you. If you want creature comforts, smooth ride and luxury amenities...the Genesis is what you'll choose, simple as that. |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Sep 10, 2008 7:54 am) I think I found the problem. One person is defining the car by, well, the car; something like chassis solidity, willingness to have fun AND be settled on the highway, etc. The other is defining it on paper (car H has X feature while car P doesn't). I've driven a basic Audi Cabriolet, and a Sebring Convertible. They were actually similarly equipped, but the Audi was much more "car." More solid, better handling AND ride (to me). It was much more "car" than the Sebring was, despite features that were similar.
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 10, 2008 8:04 am) The G8 is more car from the performance perspective and if that's your leaning...by all means. From a standpoint of features and amenities...the Genesis is more car because of what is offered for the money. It's not to say you can't have driving fun in the Genesis, you can just have more of it with the G8. However...if your the type that likes cruising, then your driving would be wasted on a G8. |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Sep 10, 2008 7:54 am) With whomever was saying these things? No...it depends on the price of the car. A fully loaded G8 GT sells for less than a Genesis 4.6 that's fully loaded...simple fact I specifically said V6. True there is a horsepower differential, but there are people who shop solely on price. Just like there are people who shop on features, name, gas mileage etc. No...if it doesn't have everything that the other car has, then it can't be 95% of the car. Performance counts very heavily, in fact more than doo-dads. The car has to walk the talk. The difference between a G8 and a 550i is less about the time to 60 and more about the total package. The G8 is probably 90% of the car at 50% of the price of a 550i. The other 10% to perfection is costly.
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