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Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 09, 2008 5:58 pm) Except it was the other way around...but that wasn't the point I made. Cars sold abroad are irrelevant Except auto companies don't operate in the US only, and it's not always about the US. How about let's start in the good ol' US of A? Alright, you have the big 3 x 2 (japanese and us) followed by Hyundai at #7, I guess that's still horrible to you? Exceptions are models like 3/5/7 series which I believe are all US spec with some slight tweaks when sold with a left handed steering wheel. There are tons of global vehicle models with conversions done rather easily. Finally, creating a buzz is different than being successful. Agreed. Between the two, buzz is all we can talk about right now as factual information. The car has only been on sale for some weeks; talking about whether the car is successful or not at this point is like predicting the stock market 
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Replying to: joe97 (Sep 09, 2008 7:05 pm) I disagree, we are in the US auto market. What Hyundai does in the rest of the world is irrelevant if their cars don't sell in the USA. There are tons of global vehicle models with conversions done rather easily. But I would guess, you cannot bring most foreign built cars into the US without expensive modifications and recertification. I believe there are certain exceptions where automakers design for the common regulations.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 09, 2008 5:52 pm) A G8 GT lists for about $10K less than a V8 Genesis, and beats it pretty handily in every performance category except fuel economy. According to C & D magazine, which tested both, the G8 handling feel and steering are also better. The G8 has more interior volume, a bigger trunk, better weight distribution, and is even quieter at idle and 70 MPH cruise. The G8 lacks the luxury doodads of the Genesis, but IMO, it comes down to priorities - what each buyer feels is more important to them. The esteem of the Pontiac nameplate is not real high, but it's still higher than Hyundai. It would be easier to explain to my neighbors why I paid $32K for the G8, than trying to convince them why a Hyundai is worth $42K.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 09, 2008 5:52 pm) The G8 is a different animal than the Genesis, sorta like the difference between a Charger R/T and a 300C. One is more athletic while the other is classy and refined. The G8 does not sell for the same price as the Genesis, it's actually less. Indeed, we are entitled to our own opinions and I'll leave it at that. Still never heard of the G35 beign the one car that would shut BMW down, maybe that was something you came up with in your own thoughts. In all reality, the Genesis is 90% of the car for 60% of the price...those are facts, not thoughts. However, you can't quantify the brand name which so many people feed into. Those that post that 90% of a top tier brand isn't good enough are the ones that really just don't want to give props where they are due. You are right though, only time will tell.
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Replying to: cobrazera (Sep 10, 2008 3:12 am) That's the problem, too many folks feel they need to EXPLAIN why they made a choice for themselves to other people. It would be totally different if your neighbors were paying the monthly note on the car for you. Bottom line, you made a decision for yourself (at least I hope that would be the case) because you weighed all the options and felt it was the best move for YOU. What's to explain??? 
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 09, 2008 7:19 pm) I disagree, we are in the US auto market. What Hyundai does in the rest of the world is irrelevant if their cars don't sell in the USA. Everyone here (in Edmunds forums) isn't necessarily in the US auto market.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Sep 10, 2008 5:27 am) Or maybe you weren't part of those conversations. The G8 does not sell for the same price as the Genesis, it's actually less. It depends on how narrowly one defines their car. Looking for a sporty RWD car, is different than looking for a RWD with luxury features, with a specific engine etc. I can handily see a V6 Genesis against a G8. In all reality, the Genesis is 90% of the car for 60% of the price You could also say the G8 is 95% of the car for 50% of the price. It depends on what value you place on engineering, luxury and doo-dads. |
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 10, 2008 7:45 am) Conversations with whom??? It depends on how narrowly one defines their car. Looking for a sporty RWD car, is different than looking for a RWD with luxury features, with a specific engine etc. No...it depends on the price of the car. A fully loaded G8 GT sells for less than a Genesis 4.6 that's fully loaded...simple fact. You could also say the G8 is 95% of the car for 50% of the price. It depends on what value you place on engineering, luxury and doo-dads. No...if it doesn't have everything that the other car has, then it can't be 95% of the car. We're talking overall features that the Genesis has, that the G8 doesn't. So if the Genesis is 90% of a top tier brand of car, how can the G8 be 95% of one??? Compare the cars for what they offer. If you want bare bones performance with a few nice features, the G8 is for you. If you want creature comforts, smooth ride and luxury amenities...the Genesis is what you'll choose, simple as that. |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Sep 10, 2008 7:54 am) I think I found the problem. One person is defining the car by, well, the car; something like chassis solidity, willingness to have fun AND be settled on the highway, etc. The other is defining it on paper (car H has X feature while car P doesn't). I've driven a basic Audi Cabriolet, and a Sebring Convertible. They were actually similarly equipped, but the Audi was much more "car." More solid, better handling AND ride (to me). It was much more "car" than the Sebring was, despite features that were similar.
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