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Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 09, 2008 12:41 pm) That is so untrue and even YOU know that. When Hyundai dropped the Azera, it hardly created the buzz that the Genesis did and the Azera was an all new offering on a brand new platform with a brand spanking new powerplant. The Genesis on the other hand has created a buzz that hasn't been seen in quite a while in terms of releasing a new vehicle. The G35 may be the value leader in it's class of car, but that wouldn't include the Genesis. Nice try though.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 09, 2008 6:47 am)  Saying the Genesis has most of the features of a 550i at 60% of the price is like owning a replica of the Cullinan diamond and believing it's the exact same thing The Genesis is nothing like owning a replica at % of the price of the 550i. If you've actually driven these cars, especially back-to-back, you would have seen why the Genesis is getting its praises from the automotive world and the consumers. The Genesis is a Genesis, and the 550i is a 550i. What am I trying to say? The Genesis feels different than a 550i, the Genesis drives different than a 550i - is one better than the other? Hard to say; since both are so different. There are areas where the Genesis does well than the 550i, and vice versa. Personally, between the 550i and the Genesis, I would choose the latter, price difference or not, as the 550i feels a little too firm for my likes, while the Genesis nets a balanced ride for the driver and passengers - it is in between the GS and the 550i. It's not hard to climb when you're sales are horrible. Oh you mean horrible = #5 in the world right?
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Replying to: allmet33 (Sep 09, 2008 12:48 pm) If I were Pontiac I would be worried. Why get a G8 when you can pick up a Genesis for almost the same money? We can all air our opinions. My opinions are based on my thoughts, your opionions on your thoughts. Frankly how can anybody really know? When the G35 was introduced, fans of Infinity proclaimed BMW should pack up and go home for they will be bankrupt. Didn't quite happen that way. Sure there will be people posting how they bought a Genesis and say it's 90% of the car for 60% of the money of a top-tier brand. And others will be posting 90% of the car of a top tier brank is not good enough. Only time will tell.
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Replying to: joe97 (Sep 09, 2008 4:43 pm) And Infinity purchased a BMW to model after against. Nissan purchased a Porsche etc. Oh you mean horrible = #5 in the world right? How about let's start in the good ol' US of A? Cars sold abroad are irrelevant as you can't bring them into the US. Exceptions are models like 3/5/7 series which I believe are all US spec with some slight tweaks when sold with a left handed steering wheel. Finally, creating a buzz is different than being successful.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 09, 2008 5:58 pm) Except it was the other way around...but that wasn't the point I made. Cars sold abroad are irrelevant Except auto companies don't operate in the US only, and it's not always about the US. How about let's start in the good ol' US of A? Alright, you have the big 3 x 2 (japanese and us) followed by Hyundai at #7, I guess that's still horrible to you? Exceptions are models like 3/5/7 series which I believe are all US spec with some slight tweaks when sold with a left handed steering wheel. There are tons of global vehicle models with conversions done rather easily. Finally, creating a buzz is different than being successful. Agreed. Between the two, buzz is all we can talk about right now as factual information. The car has only been on sale for some weeks; talking about whether the car is successful or not at this point is like predicting the stock market 
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Replying to: joe97 (Sep 09, 2008 7:05 pm) I disagree, we are in the US auto market. What Hyundai does in the rest of the world is irrelevant if their cars don't sell in the USA. There are tons of global vehicle models with conversions done rather easily. But I would guess, you cannot bring most foreign built cars into the US without expensive modifications and recertification. I believe there are certain exceptions where automakers design for the common regulations.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 09, 2008 5:52 pm) A G8 GT lists for about $10K less than a V8 Genesis, and beats it pretty handily in every performance category except fuel economy. According to C & D magazine, which tested both, the G8 handling feel and steering are also better. The G8 has more interior volume, a bigger trunk, better weight distribution, and is even quieter at idle and 70 MPH cruise. The G8 lacks the luxury doodads of the Genesis, but IMO, it comes down to priorities - what each buyer feels is more important to them. The esteem of the Pontiac nameplate is not real high, but it's still higher than Hyundai. It would be easier to explain to my neighbors why I paid $32K for the G8, than trying to convince them why a Hyundai is worth $42K.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 09, 2008 5:52 pm) The G8 is a different animal than the Genesis, sorta like the difference between a Charger R/T and a 300C. One is more athletic while the other is classy and refined. The G8 does not sell for the same price as the Genesis, it's actually less. Indeed, we are entitled to our own opinions and I'll leave it at that. Still never heard of the G35 beign the one car that would shut BMW down, maybe that was something you came up with in your own thoughts. In all reality, the Genesis is 90% of the car for 60% of the price...those are facts, not thoughts. However, you can't quantify the brand name which so many people feed into. Those that post that 90% of a top tier brand isn't good enough are the ones that really just don't want to give props where they are due. You are right though, only time will tell.
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Replying to: cobrazera (Sep 10, 2008 3:12 am) That's the problem, too many folks feel they need to EXPLAIN why they made a choice for themselves to other people. It would be totally different if your neighbors were paying the monthly note on the car for you. Bottom line, you made a decision for yourself (at least I hope that would be the case) because you weighed all the options and felt it was the best move for YOU. What's to explain??? 
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 09, 2008 7:19 pm) I disagree, we are in the US auto market. What Hyundai does in the rest of the world is irrelevant if their cars don't sell in the USA. Everyone here (in Edmunds forums) isn't necessarily in the US auto market.
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