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Replying to: joe97 (Aug 25, 2008 6:23 am) What folks need to realize is...it has happened. I've said it before and I'll say it again...Hyundai has broken the mold on what can be expected of an automaker. Think about it, they offer everything except a pick-up truck, from econo-box to full sized, tech loaded luxury (what other automaker can say that?) It just really seems that folks don't like the fact that they did do it. Must be folks that secretly love the Genesis, but because they've talked so negatively about Hyundai...can't be caught dead in one, but if a luxury division was made and the Genesis were marketed under THAT name....they would jump on it in a minute. Isn't that the same as a wife getting mad at her husband and taking her ring off and throwing it somwhere? I mean...even with the ring off yoru finger...it doesn't change your status...you're still married (that always kills me), right? Just like Hyundai with a luxury division...in the end, it's still a Hyundai product. Is creating a luxury division really the answer for Genesis? I mean...Hyundai is having a tough enough time fighting for the respecability it deserves now. So a luxury division backed by Hyundai...how much credibility would that carry? You think Lexus had it tough when Toyota unveiled it...and Toyota was a HIGHLY respected automaker at the time. I think Hyundai doing it this way will benefit them later on down the road should they actually decide to bring a luxury division to the table. I mean...entry level luxury with the Azera (arguable) and then the Genesis Sedan & Coupe (coming next year). I wouldn't be surprised if the Veracruz ends up being the luxury suv (it is, after all, directly compared to the Lexus RX350). IF Hyundai has success with those vehicles, the moving into the luxury direction would happen with more credibility and less loss on their part. Of course this is just my opinion. Anyway, with the intial buzz of the Genesis, it would seem their entire product line will benefit in some way, shape or form. Folks that would otherwise not go into a Hyundai dealership may just go to see the Genesis and see the other cars that they offer and realize they've got a pretty nice line-up. They may get in and realize the Genesis is too much car for their bank account and end up in an Azera or Sonata. The Genesis can do a lot for Hyundai in regards to bringing in much credibility and respect that many don't want to give the automaker. Please don't get it twisted, yes I have owned 3 Hyundais in my life, yes I'm a fan of Hyundai, but don't think for a minute that I feel they've gotten everything right. There's still work to be done, but...they are headed in the right direction and THAT...can't be denied by any stretch of the imagination. If you want to deny Hyundai that respect, then you've been living under a rock or with your eyes/ears closed for the last decade to know and understand where they've come from, what they've done since then and where they're seemingly headed. |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Aug 25, 2008 7:37 am) http://seekingalpha.com/article/91977-will-hyundai-s-luxury-car-be-like-the-vw-p- haeton?source=yahoo As for the spelling of the Mazda and Mitsubishi upscale attempts I wasn't spending time looking them up, they are all non-starters, but it seems people understood what cars I was mentioning. Unfortunately telling people they should think differently just doesn't work, and yes, perception is reality in the market. Nameplates like BMW, and Mercedes earned those reputations, and as you said, Toyota was already well respected and had to sink a lot into creating an upscale nameplate, and the point is Hyundai is not yet in that class and it's going to be an uphill struggle. As I said, a large V-8 is where everyone has been, but is not where everyone is going, and those folks looking for that big V-8 are the very folks that are comfortable with the Lexus, BMW, Infinity, etc., and that is not going to change anytime soon. For now the best Hyundai can hope for is a near-Lux level and work from there. I hope they make it, it's always nice to have options in the marketplace. |
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Replying to: allavalons (Aug 25, 2008 8:47 am) As I said, the Genesis is already more successful in a little over a month than the whole run of the Phaeton in the US, as for Mazda and Mitsu, we'll see...but the sign is good based on early reports. Allmet offered some good perspective, in my opinion. Who is going the guranatee here had Hyundai offered a luxury division, it would succeed? Even its luxury competitors, Acura RL, well, the Genesis passed its sales last month. The Lexus GS has never been a big seller either. |
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Replying to: allavalons (Aug 25, 2008 8:47 am) Toyota was already well respected and had to sink a lot into creating an upscale nameplate, and the point is Hyundai is not yet in that class and it's going to be an uphill struggle. Which is why I made the statement that the way they are going now is better than jumping feet-first into a luxury division. Use the Genesis to springboard into that since this will be the car that will seemingly bring the respect Hyundai has been lacking. Not sure what you mean by near luxury, the Genesis has already been tabbed a luxury sedan by various media groups and plenty of posters that have tested one. Americans have always been power hungry, so a V-8 will always be around, however...with gas prices as they are, they are forcing those of us with less expendable money to think more wisely in our purchases, so yes...the V-6 will be the staple of the Gensis line. Personally, I think Hyundai will fare pretty nicely after it's all said and done. |
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Who really cares what manufacturer builds the car? It is a fabulous car by any stretch of the imagination no matter who builds it. The fact that it undercuts the big buck Germans and Japanese is so much the better for it. It's time people woke up and recognized the car for what it is regardless of manufacturer. The time for arrogance is long past. This car will sell like crazy because people don't want to relinquish luxury for a less well-equipped car and as economic times tighten up, more and more will be seeking to maintain their luxury without paying so much. Hyundai has hit the nail square on the head in this regard and is to be commended for it.
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Replying to: schmave717 (Aug 23, 2008 3:09 pm) Go to your local dealer and test drive a Volvo S60 or an S80. The seats in Volvo's are legendary for comfort and the power and torque you get from the S60 (esp. in T5 form let alone the 2.5T) makes it feel much faster than it is, and the S80 V8 has 311/325 hp/tq while getitng 25mpg highway with even better seats than the S60. Before you laugh, go try it. I promise you won't regret it. FtB |
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Replying to: priggly (Aug 25, 2008 10:38 pm) only about everybody? while I'll personally agree with this from a 'car guy's' perspective - I think it is Hyundai's apparent inability to recognize the importance of this ( as well as a really soft car market)_ that will unfrotunately doom the Genesis to a somewhat ignomious death. The Hyundai dealer remains one of most most frustrating and maddening places to buy a car AFAIAC. Recently shopping the Santa Fe/Tucson was 'treated' to a young know nothing salesman that knew less about cars (and what he was trying to sell) than my long dead grandmother. He was so full of misinformation it was pathetic and at the time (just before the Genesis' availability) knew little about this car as well. How can Hyundai expect to sell a car of the Genesis' obvious qualifications hampered by the dealership network (and reputation) it generally has?
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Replying to: captain2 (Sep 08, 2008 6:40 am) You are right on one aspect, lack of saleperson knowledge and proper customer handling could truly hurt the sales of the Genesis, but I don't think it'll spell impending doom. |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Sep 08, 2008 7:50 am) Buick is also dying for the same reason. Those with money buy the Cadillac. Buicks, at least new, are an exercise in futility, especially when a factory certified CTS can be had for under $20K two years used.(ie - cheaper than any new Buick - oops!)
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Replying to: plekto (Sep 08, 2008 10:08 am) |
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