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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [thegraduate] by allmet33
Jul 08, 2008 (1:20 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 08, 2008 1:09 pm)

You're just brainwashed to think that the grille must have the mark of the manufacturer. Do you see it on a Benz, do you see it on a BMW, do you see it on a Jag? No...all have plain grilles with their manufacturer's mark above the grille on the hood. Just because you do see it on a Lexus or Infiniti...does that make it the status quo? One side does, the other doesn't...which is right/wrong?
 
Funny you post the Azera grille. Have you seen the same Azera grille without the "H"...looks so much better. I will actually be removing my factory grille and going with a custom one without a manufacturer's mark as well.
 
By the way...have you actually SEEN the Genesis in person???
 
Is this the one you would rather see???

 
Stacked up to the others...you mean to tell me that THIS doesn't have a luxury look???

any less than this...
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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [allmet33] by louiswei
Jul 08, 2008 (1:40 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 08, 2008 1:17 pm)

Have to agree with thegraduate here, if Hyundai is proud of this car (as they should be) then they should put a badge at the front end.
 
Also, I am too not a fan of the waterfall grille design.
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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [allmet33] by louiswei
Jul 08, 2008 (1:45 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 08, 2008 1:20 pm)

You're just brainwashed to think that the grille must have the mark of the manufacturer. Do you see it on a Benz, do you see it on a BMW, do you see it on a Jag? No...all have plain grilles with their manufacturer's mark above the grille on the hood.
 
The problem is that the US Genesis doesn't even have a badge above the grille on the hood! As matter of fact, if the 2nd half of the car is covered off no one would know this is a Hyundai!!
 
The answer to your question is YES, well, at least for the Merc and Jag...
 

 

 

 
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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [louiswei] by thegraduate
Jul 08, 2008 (2:17 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jul 08, 2008 1:40 pm)

I'd reply to allmet's post but the pics are so big I can't find the reply button.
 
Simply stated, the lack of the badging, on that style of grille, leaves me with a "cheap" feeling. You don't have to agree with it; it just lacks an upscale look to me. A nice H emblem would do wonders for the otherwise anonymous design.
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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [thegraduate] by joe97
Jul 08, 2008 (4:06 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 08, 2008 1:09 pm)

The grille on the Genesis sedan looks striking in real life. I'd say, however, the winged emblem adds to the character - I believe an owner has already added the winged emblem to his new Genesis
 
I will try to grab some real-life photo of the Genesis sedan.
 
Here is a media photo in the mean time.
 
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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [thegraduate] by joe97
Jul 08, 2008 (4:10 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 08, 2008 2:17 pm)

I hated the H emblem Hyundai USA unveiled at the Detroit auto show. Recall Hyundai unveiled two versions of the Genesis at the show to gauge which one would work better.
 
In my opinion, the H made the Genesis grille look like a oversized Sonata. I am glad Hyundai USA went with the right grille choice
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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [louiswei] by allmet33
Jul 09, 2008 (5:53 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jul 08, 2008 1:45 pm)

Louiswei...come on man, do you really believe that Hyundai is less proud of the BEST car they have produced to date simply because the decided not to put their "H" on the grille??? If that's the case, then Mercedes is less proud of the S & E-Class cars compared to the C-Class one's right? I mean...the C-Class has a huge circled 3 point star (the size of a personal pan pizza) in the middle of the grille while the E & S-Class cars simply have a small, ornate hood mounted emblem (maybe the size of a half-dollar coin).
 
So...the people that debadge their cars, are they less proud of them? Be careful with that answer because I've seen plenty of MB's rolling around my area with all the emblems removed. I've seen plenty of luxury vehicles with custome aftermarket grilles (with no emblem). Most of the time, when you get a good look at a car it's usually from behind because you're stuck in traffic. That being said, Hyundai positioned their "H" on the trunk.
 
Is the waterfall grille the best grille Hyundai could have come up with...probably not. Personally, I think a nice chrome mesh grille would have been slick (made from the same mesh that Jaguar uses for theirs). However, of the 3 grilles that were out there for the Genesis...it truly is the best looking option.
 
Thank you for providing me with a good laugh this morning. I mean to think...Hyundai not being proud of the, hands down, best car they have ever produced (and they know it). They're so NOT proud of it, they went and shopped the best sound system they could find for it (Lexicon). They're so NOT proud of it, they went and found two top notch transmissions (Aisin & ZF) to put in them. Come on man, I know you really don't believe that statement you made.
 
I can accept the fact that you simply just don't care for the grille. In which case, leave it at that, but don't put it on the maker, claiming they're not proud of their own product so they left their mark off the front of it, they have the "H" on the wheels and the steering wheel as well. How many places does the emblem really have to go??? The sad thing is...the car makers get us as consumers every day and we don't even know it. WE...are rolling advertisement for the makers and we don't even get paid for it. As a matter of fact, we PAY for the priviledge of advertising for them (funny...they pay huge amounts for their products to be seen in movies and tv shows). We, the consumers, are getting pimped by the auto makers every single day. We go to them only to purchase a liability (it certainly is no investment) that takes money out of your pocket every day that you own it, gets you back a percentage of it if you decide to trade or sell it and yet...the auto maker makes more money because of it.
 
Sorry...I'm done ranting now.
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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [joe97] by louiswei
Jul 09, 2008 (7:44 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Jul 08, 2008 4:10 pm)

In my opinion, the H made the Genesis grille look like a oversized Sonata.
 
What's wrong for the Genesis being an oversized Sonata? If Hyundai is proud of its name and products then there is nothing wrong having the family resemblance...
 
S-class looks like an oversized C-class
LS looks like an oversized IS
A8 looks like an oversized A4
Camry looks like an oversized Corolla
 
I don't see anything wrong with that. As matter of fact, if Hyundai is trying to build "heritage" here then family resemblance is an important way to get it there.
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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [allmet33] by louiswei
Jul 09, 2008 (7:47 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 09, 2008 5:53 am)

Ah no don't get me wrong, Hyundai is definitely proud of the Genesis, they are just not proud of putting the Hyundai 'H' badge on it.
 
Say whatever you want but I am sticking with my opinion.
 
Don't want to bring up the "seperate luxury brand/dealer network" debate again but that's a nice to solve this problem...
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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [louiswei] by allmet33
Jul 09, 2008 (7:57 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jul 09, 2008 7:47 am)

Proud, but not proud enough, huh? That really doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
I can understand if the Genesis were quirky in design like their past vehicles used to be. I can understand if Hyundai tried to bring a luxury car to market made of bottom end materials.
 
Like I said, I can respect your opinion if it were simply the fact that you just didn't like it. Heck, we can't like everything out there. If Hyundai were not totally proud of their Genesis, they wouldn't be putting themselves behind it unlike the way they did the Azera.
 
It's hard to say that Hyundai wasn't capable of producing a car of the Genesis' stature, go back and look at their concept car, the HCD7. Even though it was a concept car, it was actually a car that COULD have been put into production and been a hit.
 
As far as the seperate dealer network goes, one can't deny what the Genesis brings to the table. As much as you want to fight it, it must be conceded...a luxury car from a non-luxury brand. Like I said a few months ago, Hyundai is breaking the mold of what an auto-maker is supposed to be.

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