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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [louiswei] by allmet33
Jul 08, 2008 (12:46 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jul 08, 2008 12:35 pm)

I have to be honest and yes, this may be Hyundai biased, but....if I had known the Genesis was in the works when I got my Azera (as much as I love my Azera), I would have held off and made my Sonata work for a couple more years. I didn't get to test drive it, but...driving up to it at the dealership gave me that feeling of anticipation. By the way...the Genesis in black is so much better looking than the burgundy or silver one. Anyway, I park my car and walk over to the Genesis to take a peek inside...it was calling to me. The interior is so inviting, it makes you want to climb in. However, by it being the only one the dealership had....they weren't about to let it go on the type of test drive I wanted. I'll be back
 
I thought Hyundai did a good job when it came to the Azera in terms of creating a car with appeal and overall quality. The Genesis literally blows the Azera away. I'm sorry...seeing the Genesis online or from a distance on a rotating stand does it no justice. I have to agree with the writer of that write-up I posted the link for...by far, Hyundai has hit a home-run with the Genesis.
 
Personally, I feel the Genesis combines the best attributes of the G8 and the Maxima. Would the Genesis be as athletic as the G8...not quite, but close. However, the Genesis would provide a more refined interior than the new Maxima and that's saying a lot considering the new Max is quite Infiniti-ish on the inside. I think if one were on the fence between a G8 or a Maxima...the Genesis would be the perfect combination of the two. Just my two cents.
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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [allmet33] by thegraduate
Jul 08, 2008 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 08, 2008 12:36 pm)

I guess you're basing your opinion on the fact that it's a Hyundai, right?
 
Whoa, I don't think I deserve to be asked that question, and I won't even honor it with a response.
 

 
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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [thegraduate] by allmet33
Jul 08, 2008 (12:55 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 08, 2008 12:47 pm)

Either it is or isn't the basis of your opinion. How do you figure that the Genesis is a grill short of luxurious-looking??? It shares the look of a Lexus or Infiniti quite well and both of those are considered luxurious looking vehicles. The only thinking left is that since it's not of a "premium" brand that either the Germans or Japanese make...then it simply can't be a luxury-looking vehicle. Unless of course, you have another line of thinking that makes sense. I'm simply asking you to expound upon your statement, that's all.
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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [allmet33] by thegraduate
Jul 08, 2008 (1:09 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 08, 2008 12:55 pm)

To me, the vertical divider between the slats, the too-wide holes between the slats, and the lack of any badging, makes the whole thing look pretty basic and lacking in strength, with plastic-looking slats. The Azera looks better to me simply because they gave it a badge, proudly displaying its identity. Out of curiousity, what are some other cars that have NO badging forward of the cabin? Certainly no luxury marque, or even mainstream large sedans displayed in this forum. In my mind, if Hyundai is proud of this product (as they should be), they should at least put their name on the face.
 

 
The M45 has more substantial chrome brightwork with a prominent badge:
 

 
Honestly, the option they DIDN'T choose would make a lot of difference in Hyundai's favor, even though it looks MUCH like an LS460.
 

 
Here's the car we get.
 

 
Motor Trend had this to say about the grill options:
 
The options are these: the v-shaped horizontal-bar design, which looks very much like a South Korean-market's grille, or the more Lexus-like grille with the prominent Hyundai badge. Or neither. I vote for neither. The big-badged grille looks too anonymous; the other grille stands out for all the wrong reasons.
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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [thegraduate] by allmet33
Jul 08, 2008 (1:17 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 08, 2008 1:09 pm)

To each his own. Hyundai played it safe with the selection of the grille. They left the "H" off the front and think that was the right move to make.
 
Have you seen the 3 different grille options that were floating around? The one that actually made it to the car is the best of the 3. It has a very Benz-like look with enough difference to not be a Benz grille.
 
However, while a grille can accent a vehicle, it does not a luxury car make. Regardless of which grille is on the car...it is in fact a luxury sedan. However, for everything the Genesis has to offer and as strong a statment it has made for it's position, there will always be detractors looking for even the slightest thing to fault the car or company for. I guess that's what happens when a car makes as big a splash as the Genesis has made thus far.
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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [thegraduate] by allmet33
Jul 08, 2008 (1:20 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 08, 2008 1:09 pm)

You're just brainwashed to think that the grille must have the mark of the manufacturer. Do you see it on a Benz, do you see it on a BMW, do you see it on a Jag? No...all have plain grilles with their manufacturer's mark above the grille on the hood. Just because you do see it on a Lexus or Infiniti...does that make it the status quo? One side does, the other doesn't...which is right/wrong?
 
Funny you post the Azera grille. Have you seen the same Azera grille without the "H"...looks so much better. I will actually be removing my factory grille and going with a custom one without a manufacturer's mark as well.
 
By the way...have you actually SEEN the Genesis in person???
 
Is this the one you would rather see???

 
Stacked up to the others...you mean to tell me that THIS doesn't have a luxury look???

any less than this...
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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [allmet33] by louiswei
Jul 08, 2008 (1:40 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 08, 2008 1:17 pm)

Have to agree with thegraduate here, if Hyundai is proud of this car (as they should be) then they should put a badge at the front end.
 
Also, I am too not a fan of the waterfall grille design.
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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [allmet33] by louiswei
Jul 08, 2008 (1:45 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 08, 2008 1:20 pm)

You're just brainwashed to think that the grille must have the mark of the manufacturer. Do you see it on a Benz, do you see it on a BMW, do you see it on a Jag? No...all have plain grilles with their manufacturer's mark above the grille on the hood.
 
The problem is that the US Genesis doesn't even have a badge above the grille on the hood! As matter of fact, if the 2nd half of the car is covered off no one would know this is a Hyundai!!
 
The answer to your question is YES, well, at least for the Merc and Jag...
 

 

 

 
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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [louiswei] by thegraduate
Jul 08, 2008 (2:17 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jul 08, 2008 1:40 pm)

I'd reply to allmet's post but the pics are so big I can't find the reply button.
 
Simply stated, the lack of the badging, on that style of grille, leaves me with a "cheap" feeling. You don't have to agree with it; it just lacks an upscale look to me. A nice H emblem would do wonders for the otherwise anonymous design.
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Re: G8 vs 09 Maxima [thegraduate] by joe97
Jul 08, 2008 (4:06 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 08, 2008 1:09 pm)

The grille on the Genesis sedan looks striking in real life. I'd say, however, the winged emblem adds to the character - I believe an owner has already added the winged emblem to his new Genesis
 
I will try to grab some real-life photo of the Genesis sedan.
 
Here is a media photo in the mean time.
 

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