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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: An opinion question about the Lucerne V8 [tonycd] by rpfingsten
Jul 03, 2008 (2:35 am)
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Replying to: tonycd (Jul 02, 2008 9:32 am)

Tonycd
 
    When I was in the market for a new car about 18 months ago, the lucerne with the northstar was the car I intended to buy. Having had the northstar in a Deville that I was trading in, I really liked that engine. When I test drove the Lucerne and put my foot into it, the northstar had a nice "throaty" growl to it. The car itself was very nice, alittle old school maybe, but still a nice vehicle. And overall, I think the ride on the highway is better than the Avalon, but then again, I prefer the "sofa" soft ride to the "feel of the road" ride. I actually went to the dealer to sign the papers on the Lucerne when my wife talked me into going down the road and looking at the Avy... First thing I noticed was that the avy actually felt like it had more room than the buick, I also liked the interior of the avy more, but the clincher for me was the powerful V6 in the avy that still provided much better FE than the buick. Ended up with the avy, when I called the buick salesman back to let him know I was passing on the car, he told me that in almost every instance where he had a customer that compared the lucerne to the avalon, that nearly everyone of them opted for the avy. Take it for what it's worth.
 
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Re: An opinion question about the Lucerne V8 [captain2] by tonycd
Jul 03, 2008 (8:27 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 02, 2008 11:57 am)

Captain, rejecting the premise of my question is not a valid way of answering it.
 
Can you try again, please?
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Re: An opinion question about the Lucerne V8 [rpfingsten] by tonycd
Jul 03, 2008 (8:32 am)
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Replying to: rpfingsten (Jul 03, 2008 2:35 am)

Thank you, Roland. That was a well-considered and very useful answer.
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Re: An opinion question about the Lucerne V8 [tonycd] by tjc78
Jul 03, 2008 (8:48 am)
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Replying to: tonycd (Jul 02, 2008 11:55 am)

it has to win decisively in some area to rate serious consideration
 
Honestly I don't think it does. Its not a bad vehicle its just not as good as the Avalon and Azera. Those two models beat Buick at their own game.... big, powerful highway cruisers. The CXL Lucerne does ride a bit softer than the Avalon on the highway and about the same as the Azera. The CXS is a bit firmer more like an Avalon touring. Maybe for some they just prefer the looks.. IMO it is better looking than the Avalon or Azera on the outside.
 
I would love to know the % of Lucerne owners who owned Park Avs and LeSabres prior. I bet its pretty high.
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Best at: ? Worst at: ? by thegraduate
Jul 03, 2008 (9:04 am)
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I'm a little bit bored today, so thought I might take a look and create a Pro/Con list for the competitors here. Feel free to comment; I'm just trying to create conversation. I'm singling out the most obvious pros/cons
 
Buick Lucerne V6
Pro: Classy Styling
Con: Power/Economy (Soon to be helped with the 3.9L), Languid Handling
 
Buick Lucerne V8
Pro: Classy Styling, V8 available at Toyota V6 price (some people wouldn't have a 6-cylinder)
Con: Poor Fuel Economy
 
Chevrolet Impala V6 (3.5/3.9L)
Pro: Torquey engines, big rebates
Con: Small Interior, Wide-Ratio 4-speed Automatic
 
Chevrolet Impala SS
Pro: Old-School V8 Power and Sound at Accord V6 Prices
Con: Fuel Economy, Small Interior
 
Dodge Charger V6
Pro: Muscle-Car Design
Con: Cheap Interior, fuel economy (lower than the Impala SS!)
 
Dodge Charger V8
Pro: Hemi Power, Aggressive Styling
Con: Fuel Economy, Interior not up-to-par considering price
 
Ford Taurus
Pro: Huge Interior Space and Comfort, Unique high seating position, Sync
Con: Exterior Styling awkward from several angles
 
Hyundai Azera
Pro: Upscale Interior Feel, Warranty
Con: Droopy Rear-End Styling
 
Toyota Avalon
Pro: 3.5L V6 Power and Economy, Available Lux Features
Con: Price, Option Packaging, Front-end styling
 
2009 Nissan Maxima and Pontiac G8 are too new to know (never been in them!).
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Re: Best at: ? Worst at: ? [thegraduate] by allmet33
Jul 03, 2008 (9:38 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 03, 2008 9:04 am)

Wow...if the only con for the Azera is droopy rear-end styling (compared to the cons on the othe vehicles)...that's not bad at all! However, a pro that's left out is it's bang-for-buck quotient.
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Re: Best at: ? Worst at: ? [allmet33] by thegraduate
Jul 03, 2008 (9:39 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 03, 2008 9:38 am)

I have very limited experience with the Azera, so to me, that is currently its biggest con. I always think of "O Brother Where Art Thou" when I see those cars, because the band in that movie is the "Soggy Bottom Boys."
 
EDIT: I got the name wrong indeed! I corrected it.
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"O Brother Where Art Thou/thegraduate by popsavalon
Jul 03, 2008 (10:41 am)
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The band was "Soggy Bottom Boys", so I don't know where this puts the Azera.
 I have an 07 XL Avalon that came with leather, heated seats, etc., and a decent sticker price.
 I just finished almost 800 miles of interstate At 75 mph and full air. I got 31+ MPG all the way. I don't know much about the "cons", but this car definitely has a lot of "pros"....power, economy, lots of room, decent styling.....a great road car.
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Re: "O Brother Where Art Thou/thegraduate [popsavalon] by thegraduate
Jul 03, 2008 (10:58 am)
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Replying to: popsavalon (Jul 03, 2008 10:41 am)

"Decent Sticker Price" is up for debate. Would you mind sharing how much? The reason I ask is that my folks just bought a new car with leather, Dual Climate Control, etc... as well.
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Re: "O Brother Where Art Thou/thegraduate [thegraduate] by auld_dawg
Jul 03, 2008 (2:36 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 03, 2008 10:58 am)

Yeah, you might want to put "fuel economy" on both the Taurus and the Azera as pros........
 
Both do as well as the 08 Accord V6 on "real world mpg" as far as highway driving goes..
 
As far as EPA ratings go, the Taurus is 18/28, which is towards the top of the "midsize" class in rating, let alone the full size. The Azera for 09 is 17/26 which is also in the midsize range, though not quite up to Taurus snuff for rating, however, the "Real World MPG" thread has several folks reporting better than 30 mpg on their highway driving......

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