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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Taurus Maintenance [thegraduate] by auld_dawg
Jun 29, 2008 (7:00 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 28, 2008 7:32 pm)

The Duratecs have had timing chains since 1996.
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Re: Taurus Maintenance [auld_dawg] by thegraduate
Jun 29, 2008 (7:45 pm)
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Replying to: auld_dawg (Jun 29, 2008 7:00 pm)

Thanks!
 
We take delivery of the Taurus tomorrow morning.
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Re: Taurus Maintenance [thegraduate] by thegraduate
Jul 01, 2008 (11:07 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 29, 2008 7:45 pm)

Got the car - and we really like it. A lot! The fact that it runs at only 1,600 RPM in 6th at 60 MPH makes for a nice relaxed cruise and should really help mileage. That has to be the tallest top-gear I've ever seen in any vehicle except the Vette.
 
For the record, the person who I expected not to get into Sync that much, my mother, absolutely LOVES it. She thinks making calls while her phone is still in the back seat in her purse is the best thing since power steering.
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Re: Taurus Maintenance [thegraduate] by captain2
Jul 01, 2008 (1:34 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 01, 2008 11:07 am)

The fact that it runs at only 1,600 RPM in 6th at 60 MPH
now that is low - almost V8 territory, and enough to make one wonder if 'lugging' the engine to that degree won't effect highway drivability in an OHC engine that peaks it torque at engine speeds more than triple that. The Avalon is fully 10% higher in its engine speeds in top gear and I would suggest that even it would spend a lot of time downshifting to hold speed if it wasn't for the CVVT that effectively widens the engine's torque curve. Would be interested in a report on the car's behavior with the cruise set at 70 on moderately hilly terrain?
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Re: Taurus Maintenance [captain2] by thegraduate
Jul 01, 2008 (6:58 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 01, 2008 1:34 pm)

After driving it yesterday on the hilly Birmingham-metro interstates, there was no problem whatsoever. It never needed to downshift. In the NC mountiains it might at least unlock the torque converter, or downshift, but there was plenty of torque at the prod of my foot to accelerate from 60 to 70 without needing to downshift. My Honda downshifts at the drop of a hat, but the Ford uses its torque rather than dropping a gear. When it does drop, the extra power is noticeable, however, the shift itself is not.
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Re: Taurus Maintenance [thegraduate] by cdmuile
Jul 01, 2008 (8:57 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 01, 2008 11:07 am)

Anything currently made by Ford in the 3door hatchback sports like with manual tranny with the Taurus running gear?
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Re: Taurus Maintenance [thegraduate] by tjc78
Jul 02, 2008 (3:51 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 01, 2008 6:58 pm)

When it does drop, the extra power is noticeable, however, the shift itself is not
 
I would think that the 6 - 5 shift should be very soft. How much does the RPM increase? I'm thinking maybe 700. Even if its fairly often it wouldn't be as noticable as say the 4 - 3 shift in a Lucerne or Impala.
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Re: Taurus Maintenance [tjc78] by thegraduate
Jul 02, 2008 (6:42 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 02, 2008 3:51 am)

Honestly, I don't remember. I do know that when I punched it at 70, the RPMs went to a little over 4k RPM (I didn't floor it) and the car shot off like a rocket. I'm guessing there was a drop from 6-4th, or would it be 3rd?
 
Whatever it was, it did just fine.
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An opinion question about the Lucerne V8 by tonycd
Jul 02, 2008 (9:32 am)
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...which I've never driven:
 
Completely disregarding
•gas mileage
•reliability
•and price,
 
where does the loaded Lucerne with Northstar rate subjectively as a daily driving experience against the Avalon, Azera or Lexus ES? (Note: if you haven't driven a V8 Lucerne AND one of the others, disqualify yourself from replying.)
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Re: An opinion question about the Lucerne V8 [tonycd] by tjc78
Jul 02, 2008 (11:27 am)
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Replying to: tonycd (Jul 02, 2008 9:32 am)

They are all fairly similar. Soft riding comfortable cruisers. The Buick is a fine car, just a little older technology than you'll find in the Av/ES/Azera. When I drove the V8 it wasn't quite as quick and refined as the V6 in the Avalon. The interior is also a bit old school for me. It wasn't bad, just not as nice as the others. I don't believe you could go wrong with the car if you are willing to deal with the FE penalty. That was the deal breaker to me (Av and Azera make roughly the same power with V6s and significantly better FE)....If you read back through the forum we have discussed at length that basically if the Lucerne had GMs 3.6 6 speed it would be a serious contender in this segment.

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