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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan

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#6435 of 6854 Re: 2009 Lucerne [kdshapiro] by plekto

Jun 06, 2008 (3:13 pm)

Replying to: kdshapiro (Jun 06, 2008 12:15 pm)
Try $1200 or less to replace a 4 speed transmission in a Buick(or other GM with one). Yes, the new GM 5-6 speed models are also similarly pricey, so the smart money is on the older 4 speed design.
 
That's some serious money saved, and last I checked, they are very reliable as all of the bugs have been worked out. It's not a fun car. But it's virtually as reliable as what Toyota or Honda make. Just 1/3 the cost to fix.
 
Average cost for repair:
 
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1992-to-1999-buick-lesabre-2.htm
$1045
 
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2005-to-2007-toyota-avalon-6.htm
$3410
 
Dang. That's some serious money. Three GM transmissions for the price of one from Toyota.
 
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2002-to-2006-toyota-camry-6.htm
The older 4 speed Camry transmission also was fairly inexpensive to fix.

#6436 of 6854 Re: 2009 Lucerne [plekto] by thegraduate

Jun 06, 2008 (11:10 pm)

Replying to: plekto (Jun 06, 2008 3:13 pm)
As you say it, to get something from GM as reliable as a Toyota, you have to go with a 15-20 year old design.

#6437 of 6854 Re: 2009 Lucerne [plekto] by batista

Jun 07, 2008 (2:22 pm)

Replying to: plekto (Jun 06, 2008 3:13 pm)
The prices you quoted to replace a GM 4 speed tranny is nonsense.
My 2001 Impala needed a remanufactured tranny at less than 40K miles (bought brand new) and I was quoted $3500 plus taxes. This is in Canada at a GM dealership (could have gone elsewhere but given a 3 year warranty if I went with GM) but it shouldn't be that much less in the US. Maybe 25% cheaper at the most.

#6438 of 6854 Re: 2009 Lucerne [batista] by allmet33

Jun 09, 2008 (7:31 am)

Replying to: batista (Jun 07, 2008 2:22 pm)
I guess it all depends if one goes to the dealer or not. When my tranny went on my '96 Camry the dealer wanted $2300, Aamco wanted $2200 and I ended up taking it to a shop that deals with foreign cars and got it done for $1800 and it came with a 1-yr warranty as well. The guy even replaced my rear engine seal at no extra labor charge since he had the tranny dropped already.

#6439 of 6854 Re: 2009 Lucerne [allmet33] by plekto

Jun 09, 2008 (6:20 pm)

Replying to: allmet33 (Jun 09, 2008 7:31 am)
Well, let's see.. Canada at the time was charging what... 30% extra for money conversion and import fees and gouging and...
 
I can get the transmission replaced on a LeSabre/etc from that era for no more than $1500 in any major city IF I bypass the dealer and shop around for even an hour or so.
 
I did note that the new GM 5-6 speed models are now 3-4K like Toyota. Ouch.

#6440 of 6854 Re: 2009 Lucerne [plekto] by hjc1

Jun 10, 2008 (7:24 am)

Replying to: plekto (Jun 09, 2008 6:20 pm)
I would guess that the GM trany cost more because it's new and few if any rebuilds are available yet. If you price a new transmission from any mfg. you will always pay more.

#6441 of 6854 Re: 2009 Lucerne [thegraduate] by drwilsc

Jun 12, 2008 (5:19 pm)

Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 06, 2008 7:22 am)
It's not a big deal, but I thought the Impala 3.9L had 233hp. ?
 
It does now, but actually in 2006 it had 242 hp. Not sure why the decrease.

#6442 of 6854 Re: 2009 Lucerne [drwilsc] by louiswei

Jun 12, 2008 (5:40 pm)

Replying to: drwilsc (Jun 12, 2008 5:19 pm)
but actually in 2006 it had 242 hp. Not sure why the decrease.
 
It's due to the new SAE standard, the engine output is still the same.
 
Same thing happened to the Avalon as it dropped to 268hp.

#6443 of 6854 Re: 2009 Lucerne [louiswei] by thegraduate

Jun 12, 2008 (10:44 pm)

Replying to: louiswei (Jun 12, 2008 5:40 pm)
It affected most cars, although Domestic makes seemed to be less affected.
 
A few examples:
 
Acura TL - 270hp to 258hp
Nissan Maxima - 265hp to 255hp
Honda Odyssey - 255hp to 244hp
Toyota Corolla - 130hp to 126hp
Mazda 3s - 160hp to 156hp

#6444 of 6854 Re: 2009 Lucerne [louiswei] by captain2

Jun 13, 2008 (1:02 pm)

Replying to: louiswei (Jun 12, 2008 5:40 pm)
233 (or 242) HP a somewhat amusing thought. In an Impala you don't want to do that without wearing your kidney belt.
Thought the SAE change happened to effect ythe 06 and subsequent models - for example, my 05 Avalon rated at 280hp 'losing' 12 hp as an 06 model.

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