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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [captain2] by jaymagic
Jun 03, 2008 (7:10 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jun 03, 2008 6:19 am)

Claim could easily be true. I am currently getting 25.8 mpg on my Azera for the last about 3500 miles (just turned over 30,000 total). This is 70/30 hwy/city and mostly between 65 and 75 MPH on the highway. I have checked (the old method) not the computer and have gotten easily between 29mpg and 31 mpg on 200 plus mile drives at 75-80 mph several times.
 
When my wife used the car consistently, she was more like 60/40 city/hwy, the average dropped to about 23.6 mpg, as an average.
 
I tend to drive fast, but not jack rabbit starts to get to speed.
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [thegraduate] by captain2
Jun 03, 2008 (7:21 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 03, 2008 7:09 am)

I routinely beat the OLD EPA numbers for my vehicle by 2-3 mpg, the new estimates by 6-7
since I know you are one of our younger posters here - I would suggest that you might also be the only '20 something' that can make this claim.
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [jaymagic] by captain2
Jun 03, 2008 (7:39 am)
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Replying to: jaymagic (Jun 03, 2008 7:10 am)

I have checked (the old method) not the computer
which in itself can lead to inaccurate results
These new high speed vapor recovery gas pumps will almost always shutoff well before your fuel tank is full - in the case of my Avalon 2 gallons or more - out of 18.5. So therefore if I start with a truly full tank and then 'fill up' with some quantity of fuel 2 gallons less, my calculated FE will necessarily be way high (approx. 10%) . The only way anymore to get an accurate FE calculation is to make sure that the tank is 'topped off' everytime - something that they (and the pumps) don't want us to do for obvious reasons. I really think that the trip computers in our cars may be more accurate on a tank-by-tank basis.
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [captain2] by louiswei
Jun 03, 2008 (7:51 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jun 03, 2008 7:21 am)

I would suggest that you might also be the only '20 something' that can make this claim.
 
Captain, were you trying to fish me out?
 
Last time I took my IS350 on a trip I set the cruise at 85 mph and I got around 28 to 29 mpg. I have no doubt that if I slow down for just another 10 mph (75) I would have no problem brreaking the 30 mpg barrier. That's not too shabby for a 300+ hp car if you ask me...
 
For your info, the new EPA estimate for my car is 19/26/21 and old estimate was 21/28/24.
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [louiswei] by captain2
Jun 03, 2008 (8:48 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jun 03, 2008 7:51 am)

just so brucelinc doesn't feel alone - I find this hard to believe as well - 28mpg at 85mph????. The IS not a particularly light car that is further 'burdened' (from a FE perspective) by the RWD? And I think you know what I think about the FSE version of the 2GR - even more of the best! Apologies, of course, to the VQ!
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [captain2] by louiswei
Jun 03, 2008 (9:00 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jun 03, 2008 8:48 am)

The whole trip averaged out to be 27.8 mpg and keep in mind that's including going through I-10 in LA and bunch of traffics before I can set my cruise at 85 mph. According to the mpg meter when I was at the cruising speed it was constantly hovering around 27 to 32 mpg.
 
The 2GR is phenomenal on highway both in terms of FE and performance. I don't know about the regular 2GR but the only time that my 2GR-FSE doesn't return good FE is in the city with my lead foot. I average about 19.5 mpg for my everyday driving and that's about 85% city and 15% highway.
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [louiswei] by captain2
Jun 03, 2008 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jun 03, 2008 9:00 am)

always thought that the direct injection on the FSE was for the extra 30 hp and if anything would hurt FE slightly - much like the latest variants of the GM 3.6 primarily in the CTS. The Avalon really doesn't need the 300 hp IMO, unlike the IS which certainly puts it to good use
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [captain2] by carolinabob
Jun 03, 2008 (9:14 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jun 03, 2008 7:39 am)

I agree. I checked my mileage using the computer and the old fill it till it almost overflows method. Used same station and same pump. Computer under estimated MPG by about a mile.
   Also, travelling I-40 in eastern Tennessee with cruise on 65-70, got 32 MPG per computer.
  My understanding is that EPA highway estimate is for mixture of roads with stops included, not straight interstate.
   Regardless, I have a Ford Ranger piece of junk and had a Ford Taurus. Traded the Taurus for a Camry when the tranny fell out just over 100,000 miles. Used trany would cost more than a car in very good condition was valued.
   I'll keep my Azera over any Ford product out there now, but will look at MKS - not expecting much though.
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [captain2] by allmet33
Jun 03, 2008 (9:16 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jun 03, 2008 8:48 am)

Well Captain, the 2GR is a much better engine than the Hyundai 3.8 and I can assure you that I've seen between 27-28 mpg cruising at 75. Mind you...that's resetting the FE calculator once I've reached speed. If I reset it before I start and check it when I come to a stop, overall...the FE is at about 24-25 mpg.
 
Personally, I've NEVER heard of a Ford vehicle bettering a Honda or Toyota vehicle in terms of FE...NEVER.

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