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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Good reliability isn't Jaguar's problem. [bassmax] by tjc78
May 28, 2008 (12:31 pm)
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Replying to: bassmax (May 28, 2008 11:00 am)

would not even consider a Tauras or Azera at the price of $21,000 and $22,000
 
You got such a great deal on your Max because the completely new model is due out in a few months. The Taurus and Azera are a different type of car much softer and roomier inside. Two different customers IMO.
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Re: Azera vs Avalon [captain2] by tjc78
May 28, 2008 (12:33 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (May 27, 2008 12:00 pm)

AKA Buick -itis and something that not even the Lucerne suffers that much from anymore
  
The base and some of the CXL's w/o magnaride (or whatever they call it) still have plenty of "float" to them. You are right, the CXS is much tighter, similar to an Av Touring.
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [tjc78] by brucelinc
May 29, 2008 (5:28 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (May 24, 2008 5:59 am)

There aren't many Taurus/Sable owners on this board. Would love to know, real world economy and such.
 
We bought a Taurus for my wife last October and now have about 7000 miles on it. She is ecstatic with it and while I am much harder to please, I have concluded that it is an incredible car for the money. Over Memorial Day weekend, we drove from Minneapolis to Southern Iowa and back. Going down into a pretty stiff headwind, we got 29.6 MPG. Coming home, we got 31.4. This was 90% Interstate cruising at 75 - 80 MPH. We have taken a number of shorter trips on two-lane roads at lower speeds and gotten 33-34 MPG. On her daily commute of 50/50 city and freeway, grocery shopping, etc. it averages around 24-25 MPG. The tall overdrive in 6th gear really helps fuel economy on the highway. The engine is powerful enough to prevent unwanted downshifts on hills, too.
 
I rent cars a lot for business (often Impalas, Camrys, Chrysler 300s) and I think the driving experience (ride/quiet/room/performance/interior) puts the Taurus far above those. I have not driven an Azera or late model Avalon. Since the Taurus is really a second car, we wanted to keep the price down. About my only complaint is the lack of a telescoping wheel - a strange omission on an otherwise very comfortable car.
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [brucelinc] by jontyrees
May 29, 2008 (12:07 pm)
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Replying to: brucelinc (May 29, 2008 5:28 am)

One week into Taurus ownership, and I got around 23mpg on the first tank, while the second is showing just over 20mpg per the trip computer. I've been puttering around town more on the second, and a miles/refill gallons calculation may return a different result.
 
I'll second the impression that this is a tremendous car, and even more so for the $. It's a very crossover-like driving experience, but at many $thousands less than a similar vehicle with a liftgate instead of a trunk. It still baffles me that there is a premium attached to something called a crossover SUV, while a wagon is virtually unsellable. This vehicle is exceptionally roomy, very comfortable, has some get-up, a zillion bells & whistles, and a killer stereo. I like the looks, and the interior, and it seems to be pretty well screwed together, so I'm very pleased. It's actually pretty hard to go far wrong these days - most of the new cars are excellent.
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [jontyrees] by brucelinc
May 29, 2008 (1:24 pm)
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Replying to: jontyrees (May 29, 2008 12:07 pm)

I agree with all of your points. I find the fit and finish and overall quality to be exceptionally good considering the price.
 
I think you will see a significant mileage improvement after you accumulate some miles. As I recall, on the first tank, we only got around 20 or so. The first significant trip we took was at Christmas when the car had around 1,500 miles on it and we averaged about 26 - 27 on the trip to Iowa. It is now 3-4 MPG better. The acceleration has noticeably improved, too.
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [brucelinc] by snaglepus
May 29, 2008 (4:00 pm)
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Replying to: brucelinc (May 29, 2008 5:28 am)

"Over Memorial Day weekend, we drove from Minneapolis to Southern Iowa and back. Going down into a pretty stiff headwind, we got 29.6 MPG. Coming home, we got 31.4. This was 90% Interstate cruising at 75 - 80 MPH. We have taken a number of shorter trips on two-lane roads at lower speeds and gotten 33-34 MPG. On her daily commute of 50/50 city and freeway, grocery shopping, etc. it averages around 24-25 MPG. The tall overdrive in 6th gear really helps fuel economy on the highway. The engine is powerful enough to prevent unwanted downshifts on hills, too."
 
Really! You would try and have all of us believe that you have
the one that got away and wasn't supposed to be sold.
 
Better fuel economy than the EPA estimates by more than 6 mpg!
Come on now. And at 75-80 mph no less.
 
And in stop and go commuting, 24-25 mpg. Another unbelieveable figure considering
that the EPA figures for that vehicle are 16 city and only 24 highway.
 
I'm a native Californian, but when I read such tall tales, I say I'm from Misssouri . . Show me.
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [brucelinc] by bobber1
May 29, 2008 (4:01 pm)
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Replying to: brucelinc (May 29, 2008 1:24 pm)

I bought my Taurus last October and have almost 14,000 miles on it. I've gotten in the upper 20's pushing 30 mpg on road trips, but any town driving kills the mileage and low to mid 20's seem to be the norm. Good, but not as good as the Chevy Impala I had before.
 
However everything else about this car is a huge upgrade over my old Impala. It's got a ton of safety features, is very quiet on the road, and has lot of space particularly in the back seats and trunk. It has a lot of "soft surfaces" so my elbow doesn't get sore resting on the door. Wish I would have waited a few months and got the sync system as I have a buddy who has it and loves the hands free phone.
 
Great car for the money and the only reason I can think sales aren't better is it's mundane exterior. Sounds like Ford is working on that and will be making some changes soon.
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [brucelinc] by tjc78
May 29, 2008 (5:20 pm)
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Replying to: brucelinc (May 29, 2008 5:28 am)

Coming home, we got 31.4. This was 90% Interstate cruising at 75 - 80 MPH
 
If those #s are accurate you are doing better than my '06 Avalon, on my last interstate run I got 28.8 at 75 - 85 with one pretty long traffic jam. My normal mileage is 21-22 as I am either in town or stuck on the highway in gridlock on the way home. Plus once in a while I can be a little heavy footed from a stoplight
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [snaglepus] by thegraduate
May 29, 2008 (7:50 pm)
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Replying to: snaglepus (May 29, 2008 4:00 pm)

Are you sure brucelinc has an AWD model? If he has a FWD model, he only beat the estimates by a couple of MPG (18/28 for the FWD model). No biggie.
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [thegraduate] by brucelinc
May 30, 2008 (5:37 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (May 29, 2008 7:50 pm)

It is amusing that someone asks about real world fuel economy and then others jump in to call the person who replies a liar!
 
Mine is a FWD model and the ratings are 18/28. It is not at all uncommon to beat the highway number. My Lincoln LS gets about 26 on the same trip to Iowa and it is rated at 23 highway. The EPA number is calculated with the AC running and it includes a cold start if I recall correctly. Anyone who can't beat the highway number with steady cruising and AC off must not be a very smooth driver.
 
At 75 MPH, the Taurus is turning about 1000 RPM slower than my Lincoln so I was not surprised with the mileage. As for the city number, I make no claim of getting better than the EPA rating in stop and go traffic. My wifes commute is 50% freeway cruising in the suburbs with only light traffic and the 24 -25 number is consistent from tank to tank.
 
I see no reason for surprise or skepicism of my mileage report.

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