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Accord, Azera, Impala by joezera
May 24, 2008 (8:48 am)
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My wife and I chose an '07 Azera after having driven the Impala and the Honda Accord. We also looked at Toyota Camry. The Azera gave us the best safety, ride, warranty and value for our money. We now have a little over 4K miles on the car. We still love the car and have no problems to report. The Impala and the Accord had a more harsh ride than what we wanted. All were great cars, we just liked the Azera better.
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Re: Azera vs Avalon [carolinabob] by captain2
May 27, 2008 (12:00 pm)
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Replying to: carolinabob (May 23, 2008 12:12 pm)

My only complaint with Azera is the bouncing/wallowing on roads with dips and crests
AKA Buick -itis and something that not even the Lucerne suffers that much from anymore.
Agree with you, think that Hyundai has overdone the soft ride thing, but don't believe you'll find them admitting it is a problem, it is, after all, what many folks of cars like this want, and rarely do you get a soft ride without an (overly) compliant suspension. They made the correct guess on the American driver preferences much like Toyota has been adept at doing for years and years now. We Americans have generally shown to prefer the highway cruiser to the 'road car'. The Avalon, long known as 'the best Buick GM never built' in the two top trims suffers from much the same condition, although it is (ultimately) more controlled IMO.
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Re: Good reliability isn't Jaguar's problem. [autokritiker] by bassmax
May 28, 2008 (11:00 am)
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Replying to: autokritiker (Apr 17, 2008 11:23 am)

I would not even consider a Tauras or Azera at the price of $21,000 and $22,000 when I just bought a Maxima SE for $23,000 and it has lots of standard options including one of the best engines ever built 10 years running....just my opinion.
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Re: Good reliability isn't Jaguar's problem. [bassmax] by thegraduate
May 28, 2008 (11:03 am)
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Replying to: bassmax (May 28, 2008 11:00 am)

I would not even consider a Tauras or Azera at the price of $21,000 and $22,000 when I just bought a Maxima SE for $23,000 and it has lots of standard options including one of the best engines ever built 10 years running....just my opinion.
 
That's good, considering a Taurus has been advertised for under $20k in many areas for many months.
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Re: Good reliability isn't Jaguar's problem. [bassmax] by tjc78
May 28, 2008 (12:31 pm)
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Replying to: bassmax (May 28, 2008 11:00 am)

would not even consider a Tauras or Azera at the price of $21,000 and $22,000
 
You got such a great deal on your Max because the completely new model is due out in a few months. The Taurus and Azera are a different type of car much softer and roomier inside. Two different customers IMO.
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Re: Azera vs Avalon [captain2] by tjc78
May 28, 2008 (12:33 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (May 27, 2008 12:00 pm)

AKA Buick -itis and something that not even the Lucerne suffers that much from anymore
  
The base and some of the CXL's w/o magnaride (or whatever they call it) still have plenty of "float" to them. You are right, the CXS is much tighter, similar to an Av Touring.
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [tjc78] by brucelinc
May 29, 2008 (5:28 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (May 24, 2008 5:59 am)

There aren't many Taurus/Sable owners on this board. Would love to know, real world economy and such.
 
We bought a Taurus for my wife last October and now have about 7000 miles on it. She is ecstatic with it and while I am much harder to please, I have concluded that it is an incredible car for the money. Over Memorial Day weekend, we drove from Minneapolis to Southern Iowa and back. Going down into a pretty stiff headwind, we got 29.6 MPG. Coming home, we got 31.4. This was 90% Interstate cruising at 75 - 80 MPH. We have taken a number of shorter trips on two-lane roads at lower speeds and gotten 33-34 MPG. On her daily commute of 50/50 city and freeway, grocery shopping, etc. it averages around 24-25 MPG. The tall overdrive in 6th gear really helps fuel economy on the highway. The engine is powerful enough to prevent unwanted downshifts on hills, too.
 
I rent cars a lot for business (often Impalas, Camrys, Chrysler 300s) and I think the driving experience (ride/quiet/room/performance/interior) puts the Taurus far above those. I have not driven an Azera or late model Avalon. Since the Taurus is really a second car, we wanted to keep the price down. About my only complaint is the lack of a telescoping wheel - a strange omission on an otherwise very comfortable car.
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [brucelinc] by jontyrees
May 29, 2008 (12:07 pm)
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Replying to: brucelinc (May 29, 2008 5:28 am)

One week into Taurus ownership, and I got around 23mpg on the first tank, while the second is showing just over 20mpg per the trip computer. I've been puttering around town more on the second, and a miles/refill gallons calculation may return a different result.
 
I'll second the impression that this is a tremendous car, and even more so for the $. It's a very crossover-like driving experience, but at many $thousands less than a similar vehicle with a liftgate instead of a trunk. It still baffles me that there is a premium attached to something called a crossover SUV, while a wagon is virtually unsellable. This vehicle is exceptionally roomy, very comfortable, has some get-up, a zillion bells & whistles, and a killer stereo. I like the looks, and the interior, and it seems to be pretty well screwed together, so I'm very pleased. It's actually pretty hard to go far wrong these days - most of the new cars are excellent.
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [jontyrees] by brucelinc
May 29, 2008 (1:24 pm)
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Replying to: jontyrees (May 29, 2008 12:07 pm)

I agree with all of your points. I find the fit and finish and overall quality to be exceptionally good considering the price.
 
I think you will see a significant mileage improvement after you accumulate some miles. As I recall, on the first tank, we only got around 20 or so. The first significant trip we took was at Christmas when the car had around 1,500 miles on it and we averaged about 26 - 27 on the trip to Iowa. It is now 3-4 MPG better. The acceleration has noticeably improved, too.
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Re: Taurus vs Azera observations [brucelinc] by snaglepus
May 29, 2008 (4:00 pm)
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Replying to: brucelinc (May 29, 2008 5:28 am)

"Over Memorial Day weekend, we drove from Minneapolis to Southern Iowa and back. Going down into a pretty stiff headwind, we got 29.6 MPG. Coming home, we got 31.4. This was 90% Interstate cruising at 75 - 80 MPH. We have taken a number of shorter trips on two-lane roads at lower speeds and gotten 33-34 MPG. On her daily commute of 50/50 city and freeway, grocery shopping, etc. it averages around 24-25 MPG. The tall overdrive in 6th gear really helps fuel economy on the highway. The engine is powerful enough to prevent unwanted downshifts on hills, too."
 
Really! You would try and have all of us believe that you have
the one that got away and wasn't supposed to be sold.
 
Better fuel economy than the EPA estimates by more than 6 mpg!
Come on now. And at 75-80 mph no less.
 
And in stop and go commuting, 24-25 mpg. Another unbelieveable figure considering
that the EPA figures for that vehicle are 16 city and only 24 highway.
 
I'm a native Californian, but when I read such tall tales, I say I'm from Misssouri . . Show me.

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