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#6315 of 6844 Re: Azera vs Avalon [thegraduate] by tjc78 May 14, 2008 (6:32 pm)
Replying to: thegraduate (May 14, 2008 6:04 pm) Grad,   The first 100 or so '07 Camrys with the six speed actually had mechanical failures . The "flaring" issue was largely with the 5 speed / 4cyl Camrys that has been resolved with reflashing the computer. The "hesitation problem" is a function of the transmission logic. These vehicles (Camry, Av, Sienna, HL, ES, RX, Solara etc) actually upshift when slowing down at around 10 - 15 MPH, if right after this upshift you call for a downshift at low engine RPM there can be a 1 or 2 second delay while the ATF pump catches up to make the shift happen. I have read about several places including here at Edmunds (wwest is very knowledgeable with this topic). That is why you can actually make it occur. My car will do it if I try hard enough to make it so. It has happened maybe once or twice on its own in the 23K that I have driven my '06 Avalon.   Having said all that.. I have driven just about everything in Yotas line in one form or another and never have found it to be a problem. The one thing I will say is that if you "tenderfoot" these cars the tranny will hold onto high gear a touch longer when you get on it. I used to notice this whenever I drove my Mother's '05 HL. After a few miles with my heavier foot it began to shift more like my car. Replies to this message: raw6464 (May 14, 2008 6:57 pm) louiswei (May 15, 2008 6:57 am)
#6316 of 6844 Re: Azera vs Avalon [tjc78] by raw6464 May 14, 2008 (6:57 pm)
Replying to: tjc78 (May 14, 2008 6:32 pm) tjc,   You are correct. It's the hesitation problem that was/is the predominant issue with the 01-06 5spd transaxles... and still is.   It may not be a problem to you or other who do not do a lot of stop and go heavy traffic or are aware of it and work around it. When in that situation I shift manually to avoid the hesitation. BUT, there are times when I have to get off and on the throttle at that up shift time and experience the hesitation.   The hesitation in these cars are not or your normal run of the mill kind. When it happens and your on the gas, the tranny drops into a gear with a violent bang that shakes the whole car. You think the tranny is going to fall out of the car.   It's easy to duplicate, accelerate up to about 15-20MPH, get off the gas and then back on... it will happen frequently   It is well documented here at Edmonds. Replies to this message: louiswei (May 15, 2008 6:57 am)
#6317 of 6844 Re: Azera vs Avalon [raw6464] by louiswei May 15, 2008 (6:57 am)
Replying to: raw6464 (May 14, 2008 6:57 pm) It's the hesitation problem that was/is the predominant issue with the 01-06 5spd transaxles... and still is.   Okay, then please tell me which new Toyota/Lexus model(s) still has the 5 speed mated to the 2GR V6.   If the hesitation problem only occurs on the 5spd V6s then that should no longer be a concern for those who are thinking about buying a brand new V6 Toyota.
#6318 of 6844 Camry by pat HOST May 15, 2008 (3:52 pm)
Here are all the Camry discussions you could ever dream of: Toyota Camry group. Please enjoy!!   And please note that this discussion does not appear on that list. That would be because the Camry is not included in our topic here.   Replies to this message: louiswei (May 16, 2008 7:27 am) pat (May 16, 2008 10:42 am)
#6319 of 6844 Re: Camry [pat] by louiswei May 16, 2008 (7:27 am)
Replying to: pat (May 15, 2008 3:52 pm) Pat, you do know that the Avalon also comes with the 2GR V6 right? So I guess we weren't THAT off topic...     Replies to this message: pat (May 16, 2008 10:42 am)
#6320 of 6844 Re: Camry [louiswei] by pat HOST May 16, 2008 (10:42 am)
Replying to: louiswei (May 16, 2008 7:27 am)
#6321 of 6844 Hyundai Genesis by thegraduate May 21, 2008 (10:18 am)
Originally, I thought this car was supposed to offer a 3.3L, a 3.8L, and the 4.6L. Road and Track is reporting it will be only the 3.8L (290hp) and the 4.6L (375hp).   Just thought I'd share. Replies to this message: allmet33 (May 21, 2008 10:28 am) louiswei (May 21, 2008 11:25 am)
#6322 of 6844 Re: Hyundai Genesis [thegraduate] by allmet33 May 21, 2008 (10:28 am)
Replying to: thegraduate (May 21, 2008 10:18 am) The 3.3 may still be in the mix, just not for the North American market. I reported a couple weeks ago, after picking up the Genesis brochure from my local dealer, that it only mentioned the 3.8 and the 4.6. Which...makes sense, I didn't think there really needed to be 3 different power plants offered for one market.   On a side bar...when the Azera was brought out...it was orginally just offered as a 3.8 here in the U.S., but the 3.3 was offered over in Australia and up in Canada (I think), but basically...the overseas market. It made it's way into the U.S. market as a late '07 as the GLS model.
#6323 of 6844 Re: Hyundai Genesis [thegraduate] by louiswei May 21, 2008 (11:25 am)
Replying to: thegraduate (May 21, 2008 10:18 am) If that's the case then I am skeptical about the starting MSRP would remain below $30k.
#6324 of 6844 Taurus vs Azera observations by jontyrees May 21, 2008 (2:20 pm)
I'm in the market for a large, reasonably powerful, and reasonably luxurious sedan. Given budget constraints, I'm looking to spend <$30k - preferably by as much as possible. Over the last few days I've test driven the '08 Taurus and Azera, both Limited versions. While I liked them both, I have to say that my reaction to the Azera was "that was nice", while the Taurus was more "wow - that was great!" Obviously it's a personal opinion, but I can't understand how the Edmunds Editors rated the interior and design of the Azera well above that of the Taurus. To me, the Taurus interior was just much better - the comfort, the materials, (particularly the leather seats), even the stereo sounded better than the 605w Infinity in the Azera. Both very attractive, but in my opinion, the Taurus is just much more vehicle - almost in a different segment. YMMV Replies to this message: louiswei (May 21, 2008 4:37 pm) ronsmith38 (May 21, 2008 5:28 pm) rgb42 (May 21, 2008 7:05 pm) louiswei (May 21, 2008 7:21 pm) and 1 more... tonycd (May 22, 2008 12:27 pm) jontyrees (May 23, 2008 7:35 pm) and 70 more...

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