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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Azera vs Avalon [notsofast2] by louiswei
May 14, 2008 (3:24 pm)
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Replying to: notsofast2 (May 14, 2008 12:56 pm)

I passed on the Toyota products after their continued problems with transmition on V6 models
 
Apparently you haven't done enough research...
 
The "problem" for the Toyota V6 tranny only happened to something like the first batch of the new Camry. On top of that, the "problem" was an easy fix, just a programming issue.
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Re: Azera vs Avalon [louiswei] by raw6464
May 14, 2008 (4:47 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (May 14, 2008 3:24 pm)

No apparently YOU haven't done enough research...
 
The tranny "problem" was and yes STILL in the 2001 to 2006 Toyota/Lexus V6 auto transaxle line. I know because I have one. The "easy fix programming" never did fix the problem, no matter what Toyota says. I can duplicate the sever hesitation problem at will.
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Re: Azera vs Avalon [raw6464] by thegraduate
May 14, 2008 (6:04 pm)
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Replying to: raw6464 (May 14, 2008 4:47 pm)

You are talking about two different things, I believe. A few early 2007 Camry Sedans had a transmission "flaring" issue (160 total cars, IIRC). The other, as I came to understand it (and sounds to be what you are talking about) is the hesitation built into the drive-by-wire.
 
Can someone confirm or correct me here please?
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Re: Azera vs Avalon [thegraduate] by tjc78
May 14, 2008 (6:32 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (May 14, 2008 6:04 pm)

Grad,
 
The first 100 or so '07 Camrys with the six speed actually had mechanical failures . The "flaring" issue was largely with the 5 speed / 4cyl Camrys that has been resolved with reflashing the computer. The "hesitation problem" is a function of the transmission logic. These vehicles (Camry, Av, Sienna, HL, ES, RX, Solara etc) actually upshift when slowing down at around 10 - 15 MPH, if right after this upshift you call for a downshift at low engine RPM there can be a 1 or 2 second delay while the ATF pump catches up to make the shift happen. I have read about several places including here at Edmunds (wwest is very knowledgeable with this topic). That is why you can actually make it occur. My car will do it if I try hard enough to make it so. It has happened maybe once or twice on its own in the 23K that I have driven my '06 Avalon.
 
Having said all that.. I have driven just about everything in Yotas line in one form or another and never have found it to be a problem. The one thing I will say is that if you "tenderfoot" these cars the tranny will hold onto high gear a touch longer when you get on it. I used to notice this whenever I drove my Mother's '05 HL. After a few miles with my heavier foot it began to shift more like my car.
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Re: Azera vs Avalon [tjc78] by raw6464
May 14, 2008 (6:57 pm)
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Replying to: tjc78 (May 14, 2008 6:32 pm)

tjc,
 
You are correct. It's the hesitation problem that was/is the predominant issue with the 01-06 5spd transaxles... and still is.
 
It may not be a problem to you or other who do not do a lot of stop and go heavy traffic or are aware of it and work around it. When in that situation I shift manually to avoid the hesitation. BUT, there are times when I have to get off and on the throttle at that up shift time and experience the hesitation.
 
The hesitation in these cars are not or your normal run of the mill kind. When it happens and your on the gas, the tranny drops into a gear with a violent bang that shakes the whole car. You think the tranny is going to fall out of the car.
 
It's easy to duplicate, accelerate up to about 15-20MPH, get off the gas and then back on... it will happen frequently
 
It is well documented here at Edmonds.
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Re: Azera vs Avalon [raw6464] by louiswei
May 15, 2008 (6:57 am)
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Replying to: raw6464 (May 14, 2008 6:57 pm)

It's the hesitation problem that was/is the predominant issue with the 01-06 5spd transaxles... and still is.
 
Okay, then please tell me which new Toyota/Lexus model(s) still has the 5 speed mated to the 2GR V6.
 
If the hesitation problem only occurs on the 5spd V6s then that should no longer be a concern for those who are thinking about buying a brand new V6 Toyota.
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Camry by pat HOST
May 15, 2008 (3:52 pm)
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Here are all the Camry discussions you could ever dream of: Toyota Camry group. Please enjoy!!
 
And please note that this discussion does not appear on that list. That would be because the Camry is not included in our topic here.
 
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Re: Camry [pat] by louiswei
May 16, 2008 (7:27 am)
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Replying to: pat (May 15, 2008 3:52 pm)

Pat, you do know that the Avalon also comes with the 2GR V6 right? So I guess we weren't THAT off topic...
 
 
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Re: Camry [louiswei] by pat HOST
May 16, 2008 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (May 16, 2008 7:27 am)

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Hyundai Genesis by thegraduate
May 21, 2008 (10:18 am)
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Originally, I thought this car was supposed to offer a 3.3L, a 3.8L, and the 4.6L. Road and Track is reporting it will be only the 3.8L (290hp) and the 4.6L (375hp).
 
Just thought I'd share.

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