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Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison

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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Guys by pat HOST
May 14, 2008 (4:14 am)
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We've been off-topic for a while now. Let's get back to the mainstream large sedans.
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Re: Not sure how to look at it... [maximafan] by captain2
May 14, 2008 (5:33 am)
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Replying to: maximafan (May 13, 2008 8:58 pm)

All Hyundai is doing these days is literally copycatting other cars that are on the market today
In all fairness isn't this exactly what the Japanese did 30 years ago or so and furthermore are any of these cars truly different from a styling standpoint? My problem with Hyundai really has nothing to do with its products, which while the jury may still be out on their latest round of creations, they are unarguably substantial improvements on some real garbage that Hyundai produced not to long ago. It has to do with 'the boy crying wolf'. As long as any car company is going to insist on making ridiculous claims and/or comparisons, I will pay less and less attention to them even to the point of dismissing any future claims just because of who they came from - kinda of like that boy who cried 'wolf'.
Hyundai, perhaps unfortunately, still has a long way to come to gain the public's confidences and the way that they choose to present these new products does nothing but hurt those perceptions IMO.
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Re: Not sure how to look at it... [maximafan] by allmet33
May 14, 2008 (6:18 am)
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Replying to: maximafan (May 13, 2008 9:08 pm)

Just because you don't see a lot of them doesn't mean they aren't good products. You have to remember...the general public is still holding Hyundai's past against them and truly having a hard time digesting a Hyundai that costs $30K+. The statement I made was in reference to Hyundai's ability to produce much better cars than their past would indicate.
 
In the DC area, I can say now I'm starting to see as many Veracruzes as I am Azeras.
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Something Must Be Working by jaymagic
May 14, 2008 (7:13 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (May 14, 2008 5:33 am)

I do not expect the Captain's opinion of Hyundai to change within the next ten years, regardless of any facts with which he might be presented. However something is working for Hyundai. The Hyundai Azera owners who post on this board are equally passionate about their Azzy's, as are any Toyota, BMW, or Maxima owner.
 
It's hard for me to imagine that 5 years ago, this level of owner support for Hyundai would be forthcoming. While, not a fact, but more of an opinion, it is becoming clear that Azera owners are very happy with their cars. Hyundai has discovered a way of presenting a large sedan, that its owners find to be an incredible value and possessing most, if not all, of the features and attributes they look for in a large sedan.
 
Whether the Captain or other non-owners think the Hyundai advertising is the right message to be sending, for those of us who have actually purchased their cars and live with them every day, we have found that in our opinions, Hyundai has more than met its claims, it has exceeded them.
 
This does not mean we don't want another few horsepower, another couple of mpg, or the ride and suspension system of a 7 series bimmer. But, we are adamant in our feeling that we have a great car, which as a bonus came at a great price. When talking about our Azzy's in comparison with other mainstream sedans, I doubt even the Captain would fail to acknowledge that something must be working for the level of support the Azera has in this an other forums.
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Re: Something Must Be Working [jaymagic] by allmet33
May 14, 2008 (7:18 am)
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Replying to: jaymagic (May 14, 2008 7:13 am)

Well said Jaymagic, my sentiment exactly!
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Guys! by pat HOST
May 14, 2008 (7:46 am)
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This is NOT a discussion of Hyundai as a manufacturer, as you all know!
 
I've previously given you plenty of links where you can take this conversation. You really need to do that if you want to continue this vein.
 
Off topic posts are going to begin disappearing without notice.
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Re: Guys! [pat] by jaymagic
May 14, 2008 (7:54 am)
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Replying to: pat (May 14, 2008 7:46 am)

Interesting. I find the level of owner support for a car model to be informative as to whether I would would be interested in considering that make and model for me. It also seems to me that in a forum for comparing mainstream large sedans, the opinion of owners would be important, and clearly not off topic.
 
Since I am only speaking of the Azera in my post, please explain how that is off topic. Are we not supposed to mention the manufacturer, just the model from now on?????
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Re: Something Must Be Working [jaymagic] by captain2
May 14, 2008 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: jaymagic (May 14, 2008 7:13 am)

do not expect the Captain's opinion of Hyundai to change within the next ten years
Don't bet on it - it already has and is. Just not quite ready to hand them my checkbook, though - no 'proven' track record (IMO) - at least quite yet.
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Re: Guys! [jaymagic] by pat HOST
May 14, 2008 (9:18 am)
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Replying to: jaymagic (May 14, 2008 7:54 am)

My post was not directed to you specifically, it was addressed to the group. I don't know how long you've been around this discussion, but the subjects of Hyundai's general line-up way beyond its entries in this segment, and its general marketing strategies, have come up over and over again here. Those things are off-topic here, but welcomed in the appropriate discussions on the Automotive News board as I've pointed out many times.
 
I think if you review the last couple of pages of posts here, you'll understand my concern that the topic had shifted dramatically from the mainstream large sedans we've been discussing.
 
If you still have questions, please email me. We need to get back on track.
 
Thanks.
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Azera vs Avalon by notsofast2
May 14, 2008 (12:56 pm)
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Thanks for all the help these sites have been. I purchased an Azera in January after much looking. Was getting rid of a 92 Camry XLE V6 and have an 02 Avalon. I am finding the car to be a wonderful vehicle. I passed on the Toyota products after their continued problems with transmition on V6 models and never have found Buick to be my product. Came down to the new Accord or the Hyundai, and the price plus features made the choice for me, plus the fact that I want my car to stand out and not be one of millions (as I expect the new Accord to be). No problems yet, but it is great to have this series of sites to help me look for issues and have some ideas how to deal with them.
 
Again, thanks to all.

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